Once again you raise specious objections as Joe pointed out and is obvious to anyone who thinks about this. You continue to use the false strawman argument.
These are real issues explained by railroaders who know of what they speak. Other matters that would need to be addressed would include rate divisions, provision for trackage rights, etc.
Ugh. Charlie Hebdo and CMStP&P, go to your corners. I don't want to have to research this issue just so I can figure out who's being the bigger jerk. Just knock it off so I don't have to get all admin-y on this thread.
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CSSHEGEWISCH These are real issues explained by railroaders who know of what they speak.
These are real issues explained by railroaders who know of what they speak.
Very much so. Keeping crews qualified on different routes is a real challenge, and a much bigger deal than Joe implies.
That being said, the hypocrisy of some on here is amazing. Don't you dare state your opinion on the legally of some ideas unless you have taken a real estate class. However, when it comes to railroad operations, every Tom, Harry and shrink are welcome to tell the people who do it for living why they are wrong.
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n012944Keeping crews qualified on different routes is a real challenge, and a much bigger deal than Joe implies
A yearly check ride and attendance at a rules class is a "much bigger deal"?
It would be interesting to compare the ~50 years of operating experience of engineer Joe (243129) with that, if any, of n012944. Or with BaltACD's experience as an engineer.
243129 n012944 Keeping crews qualified on different routes is a real challenge, and a much bigger deal than Joe implies A yearly check ride and attendance at a rules class is a "much bigger deal"?
n012944 Keeping crews qualified on different routes is a real challenge, and a much bigger deal than Joe implies
Yep. But what do I know? I only spend half my shift getting qualified people to take trains to Proviso, Bensenville, Kirk, or up one of the three routes to the BRC.
charlie hebdo It would be interesting to compare the ~50 years of operating experience of engineer Joe (243129) with that, if any, of n012944. Or with BaltACD's experience as an engineer.
20 years railroading and counting, thank you. All of it dealing with the Chicago area, which involves keeping people qualified on different routes and railroads. Again, there is a bit more to it than what has been said.
How much do have Schlimm? If the amount of screen names you have had on Trains.com is more than your years railroading, you might want to take a step back.
If there are only 2 or 3 route possibilities. Otherwise it can be a difficult task of trying to get people work all the routes they have become qualified on while on the extra list. With PSR operating fewer trains on all territories, it is even harder to get someone to sustain their qualifications on a little used track segment.
I have had individuals that operate in a particular track segment tell me they aren't qualified because they only worked the track segment West to East and the job they are being called for will run the track segment East to West.
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BaltACDIf there are only 2 or 3 route possibilities. Otherwise it can be a difficult task of trying to get people work all the routes they have become qualified on while on the extra list.
I maintained my qualifications on 7 routes. On the extra list, you will work all the routes you are qualified on at one time or another thereby maintaining your qualifications.
BaltACDI have had individuals that operate in a particular track segment tell me they aren't qualified because they only worked the track segment West to East and the job they are being called for will run the track segment East to West.
That is preposterous. Qualified in one direction? Those individuals should not be allowed to work on that territory and their overall qualifications should be carefully scrutinized.
BaltACD I have had individuals that operate in a particular track segment tell me they aren't qualified because they only worked the track segment West to East and the job they are being called for will run the track segment East to West.
Ah yes, the old I am qualified in, but not out. I once had a crew tell me they could take a train into Global One, but not back. I told him the power was needed at 59th Street, and he would have to take the power back. He ended up on the CJ somehow instead of the B&OCT, completely lost.
Again, there is much more to it, and being a passenger train engineer in the Northeast does not make one an expert.
243129 BaltACD If there are only 2 or 3 route possibilities. Otherwise it can be a difficult task of trying to get people work all the routes they have become qualified on while on the extra list. I maintained my qualifications on 7 routes. On the extra list, you will work all the routes you are qualified on at one time or another thereby maintaining your qualifications.
BaltACD If there are only 2 or 3 route possibilities. Otherwise it can be a difficult task of trying to get people work all the routes they have become qualified on while on the extra list.
7 routes? How cute. My Garrett based extra board need to be quallifed on 12 different routes, and will not always get a run in a years time. That is just over company owned trackage or trackage rights. Now add in Charlie's idea of running over lightly used trackage, and one can see the complications.
n012944Again, there is much more to it, and being a passenger train engineer in the Northeast does not make one an expert.
I am not a one dimensional engineer. I hired in 1963 and have operated trains in ALL classes of service and without the benefit of cab signals, ATS or PTC. You had to have intimate knowledge of the territory over which you operated. I will leave it at that.
n012944 My Garrett based extra board need to be quallifed on 12 different routes, and will not always get a run in a years time.
Are you a company official? I find it hard to believe that in the course of one year you would not operate over the 12 routes. If that were the case then the yearly check ride would come into play.
243129 n012944 My Garrett based extra board need to be quallifed on 12 different routes, and will not always get a run in a years time. Are you a company official?
Are you a company official?
Nope.
243129 I find it hard to believe that in the course of one year you would not operate over the 12 routes. If that were the case then the yearly check ride would come into play.
I find it hard to believe that in the course of one year you would not operate over the 12 routes. If that were the case then the yearly check ride would come into play.
That is nice. That is not how the railroad works. Also, thinking about it, it is 13 routes, I forgot about one.
n012944 charlie hebdo It would be interesting to compare the ~50 years of operating experience of engineer Joe (243129) with that, if any, of n012944. Or with BaltACD's experience as an engineer. 20 years railroading and counting, thank you. All of it dealing with the Chicago area, which involves keeping people qualified on different routes and railroads. Again, there is a bit more to it than what has been said. How much do have Schlimm? If the amount of screen names you have had on Trains.com is more than your years railroading, you might want to take a step back.
Apparently you are not an engineer, are you, which was the question asked. End of discussion.
243129 n012944 My Garrett based extra board need to be quallifed on 12 different routes, and will not always get a run in a years time. Are you a company official? I find it hard to believe that in the course of one year you would not operate over the 12 routes. If that were the case then the yearly check ride would come into play.
You are out of touch with how today's railroads have configured their manpower and crew routings as well as the enhanced HOS rules that have increased statutory rest times and restricted working periods within consecutive days. Nearly all through train crew districts are configured that the on duty duration for the runs are set to be 10 to 10 1/2 hours under 'normal' conditions, and the first hiccup in the trip and the crew will go on the law someplace on the run.
charlie hebdo n012944 charlie hebdo It would be interesting to compare the ~50 years of operating experience of engineer Joe (243129) with that, if any, of n012944. Or with BaltACD's experience as an engineer. 20 years railroading and counting, thank you. All of it dealing with the Chicago area, which involves keeping people qualified on different routes and railroads. Again, there is a bit more to it than what has been said. How much do have Schlimm? If the amount of screen names you have had on Trains.com is more than your years railroading, you might want to take a step back. Apparently you are not an engineer, are you, which was the question asked. End of discussion.
Your question was operating experience not if I was an engineer. Not that it would make a difference to you, again if you have had more screen names than years on the railroad, step back.
nO12944 are you a locomotive engineer?
I'm sorry, but when the discussion changes from the thread topic to other Forum members' qualifications to discuss the thread topic, it's time to lock the thread.
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