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California HSR Project now estimated to cost upwards of $105 Billion to complete.

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California HSR Project now estimated to cost upwards of $105 Billion to complete.
Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, February 13, 2022 8:02 PM

Heh, you know I understand we have high inflation but I don't think this is all do to the inflation rate now.   What on earth keeps escalating the costs of this project?

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Posted by alphas on Monday, February 14, 2022 12:26 AM

I'd expect that if they ever finally complete it the cost will be between $125B and $150B based on what has happened so far.    I have read about some reasons but I'm hoping someone from CA who has followed this extremely closely can elaborate on all of the reasons.   For sure, the longer its delayed the more expensive it will be be. 

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Monday, March 7, 2022 5:22 PM

1) Incompetence

2) The object of the exercise is not to build a railroad, but to line the pockets of consultants, contractors and unions (and politicians, of course)

Parenthetically, the idea that it is to provide affordable, fast transportation to the masses is a joke at best - maybe just an outright lie. Going from city center to city center might be fine for the white collar crowd (the rich have their helicopters and bizjets), but what about the working class families from someplace other than downtown going to some place other than downtown? The whole thing is an elitist boondogle  

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Posted by diningcar on Tuesday, March 8, 2022 8:09 AM

Yesterday's news tells about diminished ridership on commuter lines. Perhaps as a result of the working from home situation now being experienced.

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Tuesday, March 8, 2022 8:27 AM

To which you can add Zoom and other brands of video conferencing to replace meeting face to face

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, March 8, 2022 11:51 PM

diningcar
Yesterday's news tells about diminished ridership on commuter lines. Perhaps as a result of the working from home situation now being experienced.

Not everyone has returned to work yet, we just got our return to work request March 1st.    I think June 2022 would me a more accurate month to check.    Also, you have to take into account that a LOT of jobs retail and restaurant have been eliminated and you have to allow time for some of them to fill in more.   So I think this is something you will have to check monthly for increases until most of the help wanted signs are gone from the city,

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, March 10, 2022 11:01 PM

All that real estate not yet acquired is going to cost much more now.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, May 6, 2022 11:28 PM

A new problem for CA HSR once it is operational. Where is all the power to come from at high hot peak loads days?  Will it have to build its own generation facility(s).

California says it needs more power to keep the lights on (msn.com)

Recuperative generatiors might be the answer as they take just 5 minutes warm up.  However they do use jet fuel.

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Posted by Gramp on Saturday, May 7, 2022 12:50 AM

I wonder what percentage of total electricity consumption goes to air conditioning at peak use times?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:31 AM

Another reason to speed up HSR construction (sorry ) the work in southern California.  By time this road widening is complete those desiring to avoid this could be riding Ca HSR.

I-5 project planned to address growing traffic problems (msn.com)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:39 PM

Forbes article .  Not much new but 10% of real estate still to be acquired.

California Bullet Train Gets $4.2 Billion Green Light For First Phase While Bigger Challenges Loom (msn.com)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, August 4, 2022 3:32 PM

A u tube by someoe who thinks CA HSR  is a good innvestment.

California High Speed Rail has not Failed and RealLifeLore is wrong - YouTube

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Posted by PJS1 on Friday, August 5, 2022 9:53 AM

Gramp
 I wonder what percentage of total electricity consumption goes to air conditioning at peak use times? 

According to Energy.gov, air conditioners use about 6% of all the electricity produced in the United States, at an annual cost of about $29 billion to homeowners.  The percentage varies depending on date, time, and location.   

Six percent seems low until you consider the amount of electric energy used by large commerical and industrial users.  For example, my company had a lignite fired steam electric station in Rockdale, TX.  It had four 525MW generators.  Three of them were dedicated to producing power for Alco's smeltering operation.  If I remember correctly, the plant was not air conditioned.  In the summer it was like working in a steam bath.  

If one drilled deeper, he/she would find that a much higher percentage of reisdential electric energy is for AC.  This is especially true in TX, which is where I live.

Rio Grande Valley, CFI,CFII

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Friday, August 5, 2022 11:26 AM

blue streak 1
California High Speed Rail has not Failed and RealLifeLore is wrong - YouTube

There are also people who believe the world is flat and the moon is made of green cheese

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, August 5, 2022 8:39 PM

Gramp

I wonder what percentage of total electricity consumption goes to air conditioning at peak use times?

 

During shoulder season we use about 1300 KWH per month.  AC season with medium efficiency ACs double that.

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