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[quote user="PNWRMNM"] Paul, The "Cascades" service in WA/OR extends from Seattle WA to Eugene OR. This is parallel with, not across, the Cascade Mountains. The route of the Cascades train is very definitely not a mountain route.  I rode a Talgo north one day and the Coast Starlight back. The Talgo was louder and rougher. Talgo vehicles made sharp jumps up down and sideways while the Starlight double deck cars rolled side to side. The fact I was in top level accentuated the rolling. From that experience, give me conventional equipment for ride quality. FWIW, I agree there is NO case to be made for passenger trains today, except possibly in the NEC. Mac McCulloch [/quote] I had the same experience last year on the Cascades.  The topography is relatively flat, but the train route snakes along Puget Sound for a considerable distance south of Seattle, if I remember correctly.   The best case for passenger trains in the United States, at least from a cost perspective, may be in the short corridors outside of the NEC.  I have been running a number of computer scenarios to determine what would be the optimum scaling.  When I am done I will present my views in the separate thread.
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