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<P mce_keep="true">[quote user="henry6"] <P>[quote user="Sam1"] <P>[quote user="schlimm"]<B>Sam1:</B> <DIV>"Many of the people who participate in these forums, as well as organizations like NARP, point out the upside of passenger rail but fail to mention the downsides.  That is dishonest."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That remark is, quite simply, <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">rude</SPAN>.  Advocates are not expected to show all sides of a positional question.  That is the responsibility of the other points of view to present in the "marketplace of ideas."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>[/quote]</P> <P>In my judgement people who present only part of the story are being dishonest or at least not candid.  If people find this insulting, that is their perogative.  I believe it is important, at least from time to time, to call a spade a spade.</P> <P>       </P> <P>[/quote]</P> <P>Actually that is propagandizing, advertising, making one's arguement, a lot more things than bieng dishonest.  I find name calling and mud slinging like this to be more dishonest: instead of arguing with facts or saying you don't have a defense, you instead make fun or degrade others. That's not honest aruguing.  Hit me with facts, reasons, and thruths, not with mud and defamitory names.</P> <P>[/quote]</P> <P>I have presented more financial information from primary sources than any other person posting to this forum.  And most of my arguments have been buttressed with detailed information drawn from Amtrak's financial records, as well as those of the FAA, USDOT, Homeland Security, etc.  If you go back and read my posts, you would see that this is the case.<BR></P>
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