OK, I see what's going on. It's a colossally greater example of some of those posts Blue Streak used to make that were pasted from Amtrak and that ran down over the following posts. You have something with pictures that won't render (those blue boxes with the question marks) and text that is running down over (and perhaps blocking display) of boxes of following posts that would 'line up' with the display of avatars on the left.
Someone from moderation needs to go in and delete that monster malformed post to let the later ones display. That might not work, and if it doesn't they may have to kill the whole thread and Lion will have to start it again. Or see if moving it from, say, Transit to Classic Trains lets them delete the malformed post, so they can move it back 'corrected'.
There is a misunderstanding!` I can use the Edit Button and directly add a reply everywhere except at this one post on Broadway Lion's New York Subway Thread, that holds my serious problem. I doubt this a problem you have faced.
daveklepperWhat would you do if you posted something, quickly found you made a grievous error, and then suddenly, the thread was frozen, and there was no edit button?
In theory, if there are bad mistakes in a 'mandatorily moderated' post, the idea is to contact a member of moderation, ideally via PM, send them a list of desired corrections (both typos and material to be removed or added) and they can make the desired edits, since you've given them the authority to change 'your' intellectual property as posted. Interestingly they are not "authorized" to correct even obvious typos, or remove or edit any sections of your post, but can delete it in its entirety (which is something used much more than I think people recognize).
With the PM feature effectively inoperative (unless you've got history PMing a member of current moderation) or with moderation overworked or uninterested, there isn't much you can do -- other than try posting again with "corrections" and apologies for mistakes, etc. Under such circumstances, THE approach to take is to write and edit a prospective post in a suitable word processor. Then select the text as written and proofread, and paste it into the post window; I recommend that you use and save any such draft in Rich Text format (.rtf) and in fact that you save it in case the gremlins strike while trying to get it to go. If you get a dreaded 'forbidden' error, you can try cutting, pasting, and formatting until the mystery issue goes away. Note that you can use the 'quote' button to get a formatted quote into the post window, which you can select and paste directly into your word-processing document. Note that the following paragraph after the close-quote tag has to be started IMMEDIATELY after the square close bracket of that tag, or additional worthless lines get pasted in "automagically" for you.
I'd tell you to ask moderation if your account can be taken off moderation, and have a frank discussion with them about what prompted their action and how you can 'repent and sin no more' going forward. That, in fact, would be something they should have offered someone of your stature by now. But for reasons I won't state here, I suspect they already think their summary action is 'justified' and will give you the same attention they give us when we ask about the progress of stage three of the Website reconstruction.
In the future, the only old threads I'll revive are those I initiated.
Review the different TOS and moderators' posts for the different forums you're interested in participating in, to be sure there aren't some little formal issues that might kick sensitive toes. And don't do them if Kalmbach or its duly or self-appointed representatives say not to.
1. I'll take your advice. Distilling information and presenting it in my own (word-economical) is a lot more enjoyable, so thanks.
2. What would you do if you posted something, quickly found you made a grievous error, and then suddenly, the thread was frozen, and there was no edit button? In the future, the only old threads I'll revive are those I initiated.
Mr. Klepper:
With great respect intended: you have to stop quoting long chunks of copyrighted press releases verbatim... especially with formatting that makes it impossible to see the full pasted version on some devices.
Any of these can easily be provided as a simple URL to the original release, even if that means you have to go to the MTA or whatever Web site, when someone e-mails you cut-and-pasted text, and find 'their' version of it online.
If you then want to emphasize any specific information or points, do it quickly in your own words as a paraphrase; if you then want to provide pictures to which you have rights, they won't be lost at the bottom of a wall of text.
I might add, speaking for myself, that I dislike intensely the kind of press release that is largely or wholly self-praise or a long round of fulsome thanks to all the 'preferred stakeholders' that the releasing agency wants to schmooze. Nearly everything I have read with the word 'Hochul' in it -- not to be partisan -- falls ringingly in this category, and I would prefer the two or three sentences of meaningful content simply be extracted and quoted or paraphrased.
I repeat that, in principle, moderating or shafowbanning a member of the forums otherwise in good standing -- let alone someone of long standing who is one of the pillars of the forum community -- is reprehensible and cowardly (it is many other things, but I'm trying to respect the principle of BNBR). You, if not we, are clearly entitled to a full explanation why you've been moderated, and should be equally clearly be given any terms and requirements to be taken off mandatory moderation (which is the only way you can get the 'edit button' realtime privilege back).
Unfortunately, I doubt that the current implementation of moderation on what remains of the Kalmbach forums will be willing to make edits for you if you were to list and post them; even more unfortunately I do not think they will respect anything phrased as a demand or threat.
Moderator: Please remove all MY postings on Broadway Lion's New York Subway threqad. I'm askingv this because the last posting (mine) has no edit button.
“Gunn Red” redbirds, Kale Green "Green Machines", blue-and-silver
"Platinum Mist" and the striking two-tone robin's egg blue and cream
“Bluebird” paint schemes, the train represents several different eras
in New York City subway history
Anyone who wants the pdf can email me at dedaveklepper1@gmail.com
Excerpted from additional material sent by Bill in pdf form. I will process some more to post. Not from a trade pubication, but from the manufacturer that is the Prime Contractor for the NY City system signal modernization & automation, New York Technologies. Primarily forv the use ofv its own staff and the Transit Authority employees working on the project.
Both Automatic Train Protection and Automatic Train Operation allow easier installationn of "Countdown Clocks" in the New York City rapid-transit stations to informj passengers how soon the next train is expected.
Apparently, the A and B Divisions use different technology.
B Division:
It's a bit dated, but still a great book
Amazon.com: Under the Sidewalks of New York: The Story of the Greatest Subway System in the World: 9780823216185: Brian J. Cudahy: Books
Elevate Transit: Zoning for Accessibility Will Expand Zoning Tools to Deliver Transit Station Accessibility Improvements
Initiative Incentivizes Private Developers to Incorporate Station Accessibility Projects or Build Improvements at Nearby MTA Stations While Saving Taxpayer Dollars
NEW YORK—Mayor Bill de Blasio, the New York City Council, and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) announced the approval of Elevate Transit: Zoning for Accessibility, a collaboration between the MTA, City Council, the Department of City Planning (DCP) and the Mayor’s Office for People with Disabilities (MOPD) to boost New York City’s push to make its transit system fully accessible. The initiative will allow the MTA to leverage planned private development to achieve a fully accessible transit system faster, while saving taxpayer dollars as the MTA faces financial challenges caused by the ongoing pandemic.
Zoning for Accessibility incentivizes private developers to design their buildings to incorporate public station accessibility projects or build the improvements at nearby MTA stations. It creates a new set of tools – and strengthens existing ones – that build off the MTA’s commitment of over $5 billion of funding for 77 accessible subway, Long Island Rail Road, Metro-North Railroad and Staten Island Railway station projects within New York City in the 2020-2024 MTA Capital Plan.
“Building a recovery for all of us means making public transportation accessible to everyone who rides it – especially seniors, young families, and New Yorkers with mobility disabilities,” said Mayor Bill de Blasio. “I’m proud to work across government to drive greater investment in these accessibility improvements, and I look forward to collaborating on more creative ideas to make our city fairer and more equitable.”
"Elevate Transit: Zoning for Accessibility is an important step in advancing a fair and equitable recovery for all New Yorkers. These zoning levers add another tool in our toolkit to meet our accessibility goals and better serve people with mobility disabilities, senior citizens, and transit riders as a whole," said Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development Vicki Been. “We thank the City Council, the MTA, and all the city agencies involved for their collaboration and leadership to make this creative idea a reality."
“Everyone deserves access to our transit system but unfortunately only a third of New York City’s train stations are easily accessible for people with disabilities. We can do better, which is why in my 2019 State of the City address, I outlined a plan for developers to help build new elevators and take other measures to make more subways and train stations ADA compliant. This is a game-changer for millions of New Yorkers, including seniors, disabled people, parents of young children, and anyone who has a harder time getting around. I’m proud of the Council’s role in helping bring together the Department of City Planning and the MTA to advance this proposal. This success shows the Council’s effectiveness in convening solutions to complex citywide problems and I hope it’s something we do more in the future,” said Speaker Corey
Regarding the photo of the car with the experimental interior, a friend writes:
This car is the only one of those mockups that was never in a completed state that could be put in service; it was just a work in progress, a place to try a variety of internal fittings. The 484, 744 and 1575 and were all serviceable, I don.t know how long the 744 was in regular service before it was returned to its original lighting, but the 484 and 1575 served for a normal life, and are still in service in the vintage train operations.
“This kind of smart and alert patrolling by the NYPD is a key reason why we wanted more officers in the subway system and why crime has dropped dramatically since the spring. This arrest makes our customers and transit workers safer.
Here is an R-10 interior photo, from the R-10 delivery thread.
Compare with the previous photo.
daveklepperAnd for an international rapid-tranist door-chime experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fi0m8ei_B4&t=11s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fi0m8ei_B4&t=11s
They should have included early Amfleet. I don't remember now whether it was the closing-doors or the doors-remaining-open alarm, but it was exactly the sound, perhaps exactly the circuit, that you hear at McDonald's when the fries are ready.
davekleppernot either an R10 interior or that of 1575, but of another R-1-9, temporarily modified with a different interior...
The way I dimly remember this story was that the 'test mule' was scrapped after the interior design was 'proofed' -- I remember thinking that I'd have kept it running with its 'modernized' interior...
Another error uncovered: The photo on the posting of the John Kneiling-orfganized 207th Street Shop visit, with my High-School classmate Mark Steele, is not either an R10 interior or that of 1575, but of another R-1-9, temporarily modified with a different interior, and later, after the photo, returned to standard configuration or scrapped.
Errors: Six-car trains,ly one wide island plantform in use, side-pkatform for historical preservation only, no conductor, on operator each end.
Go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKln8N5auw
And for an international rapid-tranist door-chime experience:
Two trains, each with three men, conductor and a motorman at each end, for quick reversal at both stations, six people, same number as three trains with two people each, and new platform arrangement speeding loading and unloading. Faster operaton, so rush-hour sevice will be better. Same number of trips each way per hour, but done with two four-car trains instead of three three-car trains.
dave how about the rebuilt times square shuttle ? Longer trains but just 2 tracks.
A 1949 John Kneiling-arranged tour of the 207th Street Shops. Does this belong here or on the Classic Trains Forum?
All passenger equipment in the photos are R-1-9 cars, except the interior is either R-10 or rebuilt sample 1575.
Authority Unveils Major Improvements Including Signature New 42 Street Shuttle Connector as Customers Begin to Return to System in Larger Numbers
Shuttle Riders Will be Greeted by a Mosaic Installation Created by Artist Nick Cave
MTA Officials Also Announce Launch of ‘Welcome Back New York’ Campaign Aimed at Bolstering Ridership, Touting Benefits of Mass Transit, and Providing Financial Incentives to Return
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) today celebrated the completion of the new 42 St Shuttle that connects Times Square and Grant Central Terminal. The work is the centerpiece of the broader 42 St Connection Project, a series of major improvements to the highly-trafficked corridor. Despite the pandemic, the work was completed on time and on budget. It also includes a striking mosaic installation from world renowned artist Nick Cave.
Authority officials also used the opening of the new Shuttle service to formally launch a new ‘Welcome Back New York’ campaign that touts the benefits of mass transit as New Yorkers begin to return to work and school in the aftermath of the pandemic. The campaign includes a range of specific initiatives to entice riders to come back to the system, including the extension of discounted fares during off-peak hours until the end of the year and a new goal of doubling the number of New York City residents engaged in the City’s Fair Fares program that provides discounted MetroCards to customers in need of financial assistance.
“This project had been talked about for literally decades and now we’ve finally gotten it done,” said MTA Acting Chairman and CEO Janno Lieber. “The new, fully ADA-accessible Shuttle is easier to navigate, with straightened tracks and a single, wider platform that will allow us to run longer trains during peak hours and speed up boarding times. This is a huge win for our customers as they continue to return to the system.”
“I’ve been at the MTA for over thirty years and rebuilding the Shuttle has been a topic of discussion that entire time. It’s amazing to finally see it get the renovation New Yorkers deserve, especially at this critical moment for the system and our region,” said New York City Transit Interim President Craig Cipriano. “I’m hopeful that in the months and years ahead, daily use of the new Shuttle will eventually tick back up the roughly 80,000 customers who rode it on a typical day before the pandemic.”
“By many accounts, New York City is now the most congested city in America,” said MTA Chief Customer Officer Sarah Meyer. “That’s why we’re launching a campaign to encourage more people to take public transit. It’s a faster, safer, cheaper and greener way to get around town. For $2.75, you can experience everything that makes New York great. Ditch your cars and ride the subway or bus as you return to the city.”
“I can tell you from personal experience that navigating the shuttle transfer before this modernization was incredibly challenging,” said MTA Chief Accessibility Officer Quemuel Arroyo. “The improvements we’re celebrating today are transformative and more accessibility upgrades are forthcoming. We’re taking a phased approach to improving accessibility at 42nd Street that includes accessibility at both ends of the 42 St Connector – bringing us another step closer to making 100 key stations accessible.”
The transformative 42 St Connection Project brings straightened tracks and expanded platform space, allowing more room for customers and ensuring that shuttle access is fully accessible in compliance with ADA standards. The consolidated platform will make it easier to identify and board the next available train as quickly as possible, and simplified and extended tracks allows the Authority to run longer cars. This, in turn, increases customer capacity by 20% during peak times. Prior to the pandemic, the 42 St Shuttle carried some 80,000 customers daily, including upwards of 10,000 per hour during morning and evening rush periods. The project also includes free underground connection to the 42 St Bryant Park Station, wider stairwells on the Grand Central mezzanine, a new street-to-mezzanine elevator at the Times Square Station, and new electrical, communications, signal and fire safety systems.
The 42 St Shuttle Connection Project also features the first and largest section of a striking mosaic installation by artist Nick Cave. Commissioned by the MTA’s award-winning public arts program, MTA Arts & Design, ‘Every One’ is one piece of the larger Each One, Every One, Equal All mosaic and runs the length of the new walking transfer between the Shuttle at Times Square and Bryant Park. ‘Every One’ is an expansive installation on the North and East walls of the 42 St Connector. It runs 360 linear feet and covers over 3,200 square feet. The artwork includes more than two dozen of Cave’s iconic Soundsuits, brought to life in a companion video piece of the same name. ‘Every One’ will be displayed on eleven OUTFRONT live digital screens centrally displayed in the 42 St Connector. On each quarter hour, a short digital work will be shown. The video depicts the Soundsuits, many of which can be seen in the surrounding mosaic, fully activated by the movement of dancers.
The “Welcome Back New York” campaign extolls the virtues of riding mass transit for those returning to the system after the worst days of the pandemic. Informative and at times irreverent messages will appear throughout stations, on media outlets, and on billboards throughout the region. It will also highlight the wide ranging benefits of mass transit compared to the available alternatives. As part of the campaign, the MTA also announced an extension of an extant policy that placed discounts on off-peak fares for customers on both the Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad.
The Authority will also offer businesses a sales program in which companies may purchase MetroCards in bulk to help the City’s efforts at encouraging customers to return to the system and discounts to combat climate change by encouraging mass transit use. Off-peak fares on the LIRR and on Metro-North will be in effect until December 31, 2021. Commuter rail customers using single-ride trips and ten-trip tickets can benefit from savings up to nearly 40% of the normal price depending on distance traveled. In addition, for eleven fall weekends, Sept. 11 – Nov. 21, monthly ticket holders will enjoy Autumn Weekends, which entitles up to four people to ride along for only $1.00 per person. There is also Friends and Family Wednesdays, when monthly ticket holders may bring an extra person to ride for only $1.00, between Sept. 15 and Oct. 27. These incentives are specifically targeted at attracting customers with new telework schedules.
A poignant video entitled “Opening Doors” accompanied the rollout of the new campaign. It celebrates New York’s reopening and the transit system that moves the region.
Camera Installation Accelerated Over Past Year to Bring Completion Ahead of Schedule
Thousands of Cameras Enhance Security
Camera Installations Help Deliver a 20.6% Decline in Major Felonies in 2021 and 28.6% Increase in Arrests
NYC Transit Now Has Ability to Identify Suspicious Packages Across Segments of the Subway System in Real Time
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) today announced that security cameras have been installed at all 472 subway stations. Cameras were deployed Sept. 11 at the 472nd Station, Broadway station on the line. Thousands of cameras have now been deployed systemwide. The initiative to expand security camera coverage was accelerated last year by Interim President of New York City Transit Sarah Feinberg, who identified a new class of cameras that could be deployed more quickly and at much lower cost than traditional cameras. As a result, 200 stations of the 472 in the system have gained security camera coverage within the past year. Feinberg accelerated the pre-existing camera installation program to ensure that all subway stations have cameras by the end of summer 2021. “Thanks to our incredible workforce who continue to deliver for our customers and credit to Sarah Feinberg who from the top of New York City Transit got this program accelerated,” said Craig Cipriano, Acting President of MTA New York City Transit. “We have delivered on Sarah’s commitment to accelerate the camera roll-out as we look to restore confidence in the system. We recognize safety and security are top concerns for our customers, as they return to our system, and this is a significant tool in our effort to enhance rider safety.” “We at the MTA, together with the NYPD, are driven to deliver a safer and more high-level quality of life experience in the subway system and these cameras are a big part of that,” said MTA Chief Safety Officer Patrick Warren. “If you are a criminal who preys on those who use our system, you will have your image captured and be put on the express track to justice. The image will be delivered to the police, and the police will use it to find you. The NYPD has been aggressively investigating every crime in the subway, which is why crime is way down this year.” Security cameras used in the subway system come in two forms: Those that broadcast in real time to the subway’s security center, and those that record locally and provide material that can be retrieved quickly and used in the investigation of crimes. Similar to the NYPD’s post-9/11 Lower Manhattan Security Initiative, some of the live cameras give New York City Transit the ability to spot suspicious packages and other activities that require response. The latest statistics provided by the NYPD show a decline in major felonies of 20.6% in 2021 through August 31 and a 28.6% increase in arrests over the same time period. The MTA will continue to expand the placement of cameras throughout the system, with a goal of optimizing coverage of stations.
The MTA is purchesing land for the work, including more than a dozen privately owned properties. Most of these buildings are largely vacant. New York City’s eminent domain law will be used. This gives governments the right to take properties for redevelopment for public use. This extension will use a 10-block-long, 1970s-constructed tunnel from 110th to 120th street. The goal was start of service by 2027, but now a later completion is expected.
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