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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:50 PM

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It *always* usesd to start at NYP...

Jackshafts pulled it out to Harold where the Steam Locomotives took over.

I guess that project ended with the Jackshafts.

Diesels coun Never go into NYP, but the dual modes made it possible to bring this service back again.

 

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So noted on my previous posting.
 
The New Haven FL-9's did run into  Penn when an EP-5 was not avialable, and the double-sprung shoes did pickup third rail power.
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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:48 PM

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Does the Friday-evening Cannonball, which requries DMs, regular run with two locomotives? And the return Sunday evening? And does this power essentially just sit at Montauk the weekend? What abouit the DE power on other Montaujk trains?

LIRR runs two DM on every diesel train into NYP. This is so because AMTK who owns the station will not allow push-pull service with one locomotive on the LIRR. The switch gaps in the third rail are up to 600' long in parts of the station. An operator in an MU unit or on a DM locomotive can *see* where the gaps are, but with the locomotive in the rear and only a cab in the front, the Engineer has no idea if the locomotive stops on a third rail or on a gap. And if it stops on a gap then it will not move until it gets a helper from somewhere.

AMTK can run the Empire trains in with just one locomotive because it is always on the front, and after discharging the pax, it moves forward to Sunnyside where the train takes the loop, thus the locomtive is always in the front.

The issue does not apply to NJT and AMTK west trains since there are no gaps in the catinary.

Should LIRR get new Dual Mode locomotives LION would make them with dual cabs (one at each end of the Locomotive.) Thus East end trains can be pulled into the station, and then run the locomotive around to the front for the outbound trip. This can be done in the station, but would be better in the West End Yard so as not to tie up other traffice.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:46 PM

well aware of the Cannonball history and saw the LIRR DD1s in action, even on freight!   One group of diesels did, on occation, run into Penn Station, the  NYNH&H FL9s.  After Van Nus closed, and the EF-3as were innactive, when a "Jet" EP-5 was not available, the FL-9 set from Boston would run into Penn.   While fairly new, the double-srpung EMD third-rail shoes did successfully pickup power from the LIRR third rail, and the 3-position NYNH&H cab-signal system (on the NU used east of New Haven to Readville) did respond to the PRR 4/5  system.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:14 PM

It *always* usesd to start at NYP...

Jackshafts pulled it out to Harold where the Steam Locomotives took over.

I guess that project ended with the Jackshafts.

Diesels coun Never go into NYP, but the dual modes made it possible to bring this service back again.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:36 PM

Does the Friday-evening Cannonball, which requries DMs, regular run with two locomotives?   And the return Sunday evening?   And does this power essentially just sit at Montauk the weekend?  What abouit the DE power on other Montaujk trains?

If there is no replacement program for the DMs or DEs, are LIRR shop people developing fixes to improve reliability, the way early-on Wilmington developed fixes for the AEM-7-ACs which then became reliable?

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Posted by NorthWest on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:19 AM

The DM/DE33ACs and to a lesser extent C3s have not aged well. The original DE/DM mongrelization combined EMD parts with Siemens electronics and Super Steel construction which didn't work out as planned. One DM has been converted to a DE because it spectacularly failed. They often need to be double headed in order to be sure the train will get over the road.

The MUs are fine, and the M9s will be here soon.

There isn't a DM/DE replacement forseeable now, though.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:28 AM

RTroy, do you ride the line regularly?  If not, I would appreciate a comment from peopole who do.  My impression is that the equipment in general is not poorly designed for the job.  The Multiple-unit electric cars are identacle except for ATC circuitry and type of third rail shoes as the Metro-North cars, and they give excellent service there.  And while we hear of electrical, tunnel, and signal problems, I do not recall any posting on a locomotive or head-end power failure on a diesel train.   (We have seen such postings with regard to Amtrak. Hopefully  no more.)

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Posted by RTroy on Monday, July 25, 2016 11:36 PM

LIRR has a system that constantly breaks down even after being completely rebuilt in an area, and a fleet that kind of sort of works but not so reliably that you have enough working equipment to give any run enough equipment.  Plus trains run so slowly on so much of the system that a given piece of equipment can do fewer runs.  Some of this COULD be fixed by the 3rd track the NIMBY's are fighting so hard.  Double tracking the PJ line would be of huge help here, and getting the 2nd track to Ronkonkoma done in the current millenium!  But the current diesel fleet, badly designed and, I suspect, not so well maintained, needs to be supplemented and replaced.  Dual modes that are reliable and that only need one loco per train would be nice, too.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:11 PM

The LIRR shut down last week from Jamica - NYP was evidently caused by a bare wire acccordiing to today's newswire.  Has anyone observed if LIRR's signaling has above ground cables.  Any cable that old exposed to the elements will have insulating chafing.  Article says temporary repairs made.  Guess some electrical tape around bare wire ? Actually tongue in cheek.  Probably rerouted wiring to unused good wire(s)

This may be a wake up call to LIRR that their signal cable needs replacing.   Anyone know more about it ?

The big problem I see is that LIRR blamed Amtrak for the delays.  The news wires say it happened between Woodside and Harold.  Problem might have caused Harold CP not to work. As far as I know that is all LIRR and not Amtrak

 

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Posted by henry6 on Saturday, August 22, 2015 6:51 PM

The LIRR has stepped up to the plate concerning Montauk service every year with so many service improvements.  A new signal system was installed east from Patchaouge several years ago but the last leg of single track into Montauk has not been done yet and, thus, a form of train order and timetable system remains.  When trains began being over crowded, especailly westbounds on Sundays, crews and equipment were scrambled together when needed; then they started planning on the extra moves ahead of time; then they eliminated the extra moves and scheduled trains in the timetables.  Improvements attracted more and more people.  Because no new equipment has been purchased nor has there been an increase in the number of train crews nor the line double tracked or more sidings installed and the signal system continued to end of track, nothing more can really be done.  They have  to more than replace the aging equipment, they have to get more cars and more locomotives.  Because NY and LI expanded thanks to Rober Moses and his highways and parkways it has been difficult to get people and poiticians to grasp the concept of how a railroad operates and what it takes for it to provide service.   Too many believe in the Lionel train under the Christmas tree as how it all works and don't realize the planning, the long range planning, the need for equipment and people to operate the equipment, and the financial investment that has to be made for it to provide the desired and needed services.  Right now, the LIRR is on the verge of losing the battle because their efforts have been so good in a place where the service is so badly needed. 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:58 AM
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, August 21, 2015 6:50 AM

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They'd have a little more room on the trains if they'd put the bar cars back on!

In the past, the "Cannonball" was an all-parlor and parlor-lounge train, so a bar car would have been redundant.  I don't know the current arrangement.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, August 20, 2015 5:42 PM

They'd have a little more room on the trains if they'd put the bar cars back on!

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:45 PM

Until about 1950, the Cannonball  did run out of Penn Station, with DD-1 power to Jamaica.  Several years ago, the new dual-power locomotives allowed summer rstoration to Penn from L. I. City.

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:38 AM

Excerpt from Newsday, May 23, 2013

The Long Island Rail Road has a piece of advice for travelers looking to take the first ever nonstop train from Penn Station to the Hamptons this afternoon: Be early.

The LIRR says it has seen unprecedented demand for the "Cannonball."

The agency announced last month that the popular Friday afternoon summer train, which has for years departed out of Hunterspoint Avenue in Queens, would run out of Manhattan this summer.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:43 AM

When did the "Cannonball" start originating at Penn Station?  It used to originate at Hunterspoint Ave.

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Posted by Dragoman on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:47 PM
I've read somewhere that LIRR is tight on diesels (needed for the Montauk service). There is also the issue of "slots" through the East River tunnels. Second section may not be feasible. Heaven knows, very crowded (over-crowded?) transit and commuter lines is nothing new. It would be interesting to know the "back story" behind this.
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LIRR getting flak.
Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:21 PM

LIRR's Cannonball is getting seriously overcrowded.  FRA is now investigating safety concers from well healed passengers.  Might need to run a second section ?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/17/lirr-federal-probe/

 

 

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