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Cost of San Francisco Downtown Rail Extension Swells to $8.2B

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Cost of San Francisco Downtown Rail Extension Swells to $8.2B
Posted by rdamon on Saturday, October 28, 2023 6:43 PM

https://sfstandard.com/2023/10/27/san-francisco-downtown-rail-extension-portal-cost/

"The proposed rail tunnel is intended to connect Caltrain—and future high-speed trains—at the Fourth and King streets station to the massive new Salesforce Transit Center. Project costs have ballooned from $6.5 billion to a staggering $8.25 billion since October 2022, according to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission."

"The Downtown Rail Extension has been decades in the making, and its estimated cost has increased multiple times in recent years. In 2016, the cost of the rail extension was estimated at $3.9 billion." 

https://www.sfcta.org/projects/salesforce-transit-center

 

https://www.sfcta.org/projects/downtown-rail-extension

 

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:33 PM

More than doubled in just seven years? $1.7B in one year! WHY? HOW?

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:37 PM

This is why you will not see high speed rail in the US in your lifetime. Any politician from another state who dared to champion it will be buried by an opposition that will point to California and its bottomless money pit.

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:55 PM

BEAUSABRE
More than doubled in just seven years? $1.7B in one year! WHY? HOW?

 

Have you not been to a store lately? 

  

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 4:39 AM

An extension to a downtown where fewer and fewer people want to go.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:41 AM

Kabow-19:  Fewer going downtown?  Probably, SF is an exception.

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, November 19, 2023 11:48 AM

$8.25 billion dollars is a big number.  Let's shrink it a bit:

 

It's about a mile from just before the tracks enter the current passenger station, over to the new transit center.

There are 63360 inches in a mile.

Thus, it is $130,000 an inch for this project--a much smaller number!

Oh, yes.  And someone neglected to build the new transit center adjacent to BART.  Unfortunately.  It's almost as if San Francisco doesn't care to connect with the rest of the Bay Area.

 

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 20, 2023 5:15 AM

Nut there is  a Light Rail Station.

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Posted by 7j43k on Monday, November 20, 2023 5:24 PM

daveklepper

Nut there is  a Light Rail Station.

 

 

 

Indeed there is.  That is the San Francisco Muni system, that only runs in the city.  But there is no BART.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 5:06 AM

There is a direct connection to BART in San Jose, I believe.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:15 AM

But that would be like saying there will be a PATH connection in Bound Brook so commuters from Hoboken can get to 33rd Street.  See here for situational awareness:

https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/images/news/BART%20Train%20Map%20FINAL%205%2010%2020.png

Meanwhile: actual BART through San Jose is now up to 12.2B, to be opened by 2036.  Expect both those to 'slip' further...

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Posted by J. Bishop on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 2:19 PM

One reason costs go up is (correct me if I am wrong) that the costs have to be calculated in year-of-expenditure dollars, not today's dollars. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 22, 2023 1:40 AM

Overmod, I agree completely.  I made that point to ask:  If theysee a value in the San Jose connection, how could they miss out in SF?

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