All the details were in the computer before Friday night and now are missing. And now I'm having problems in using the NYMTA website. But you should have no problem, and perhaps you can post the details. Thanks.
The settlement was an historic and important event.
DRA's copy of the settlement:
https://dralegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Final-Agreement-with-All-Signatures-ACC.pdf
This was the filing of one of the suits
https://dralegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/154_Notice_of_Entry_of_D_and_O_Motion_003_Accessible.pdf
and this is the other, which invoked the ADA:
https://dralegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/115_Third_Amended_Complaint.pdf
THANKS!!!
Very good work
I don't think MTA had worked out a full face-saving version of their position when I was finding references yesterday. It will be interesting to see what they produce.
Gee, I'm so relieved! Only 33 years, a third of a century, an entire generation, before it's complete!!
Check the websikte for stations elready :"accessable."
More accessabiliy:
daveklepperAll the details were in the computer before Friday night and now are missing. And now I'm having problems in using the NYMTA website. But you should have no problem, and perhaps you can post the details. Thanks. The settlement was an historic and important event.
A 'settlement date' that is still 32 years in the future? Nothing to brag about.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
When you consider the number of stations involved and the fact that a fair number of stations are substantially above ground level, 32 years may be long but not that much of a stretch.
CSSHEGEWISCHWhen you consider the number of stations involved and the fact that a fair number of stations are substantially above ground level, 32 years may be long but not that much of a stretch.
But it is a near guarantee that a person in need of the handicapped accessability today will likely be in the ground before 2055. 2025 or event 2035 would be something different.
More than half of the subway stations should be handicapped-accessable by 2030, with the hard and expensive work at the most difficult and least-used stations taking longer. My own opinion is that they are doing a good job, considering the age of most of the system and other demands on finances and logistics.
daveklepperMore than half of the subway stations should be handicapped-accessable by 2030, with the hard and expensive work at the most difficult and least-used stations taking longer. My own opinion is that they are doing a good job, considering the age of most of the system and other demands on finances and logistics.
How many handicapped individuals will die before their station becomes accessable to them? 2055 is still a long ways off for handicapped that have yet to be born.
Feature that MTA's real thinking is that there won't be any handicapped to use the stations by 2055, so no one then will care.
All NYCity transit buses are ADA-compliasnt, and with universal trasnsfer privileges, connectingv to a station that is accesable shouild not be a problem. Buses can also take you anywhere in the city.
OK, but I think you are missing the point. This ain't BUSSES Magazine
If "take the bus" is the answer, then let's scrap the subway and replace it with busses
In NYCIty, it is one integrated system, and both modes are essential.
And, as I pointed out, it's temporarily part of the answer.
I'd be interested cin knowing if Chicago and/or Philadelphia are doing any better regarding handicapped access to older rapid-transit lines. Comment?
The Chicago Transit Authority is in pretty good shape regarding handicapped access. Most if not all stations on the "L" have elevators between ground and station level.
"Temporary" for a THIRD OF A CENTURY....You have to laugh. There may not be a subway system in the 2050's
From Bloomberg is a comparison of ridership figures 2023 compared to 2019 of some of the stations with heaviest passenger load.
Times Square - 36 percent
Grand Central - 33 percent
Harold Square - 31 percent
Union Square - 33 percent
The riders have left and they ain't comin' back
Implications -
1) There is a hole of at least 60 percent in MTA's projected revenues from fares. Neither the city or the state has the funds to cover it as they have their own problems
2 That means MTA will have to reduce expenses
a) Cut employees across the board, operations, maintenance and security included
b) That means less trains with fewer operating personnel and more cars deadlined for parts which can't be ordered as the budget is shot
c) That means dirtier stations with more lights out, overflowing trash bins, etc
d) That means fewer police on a system that many New Yorkers already think is unsafe. They use Uber and Lyft instead if they can afford it. Only the poor and desperate ride the trains
e) There are no funds for preventive maintenance, let alone impprovements
The upshot is the system goes into a death spiral as fewer passengers ride the trains (who wants to wait around for long periods in dirty, badly policed stations for dirty, badly policed, poorly maintained trains?), which cuts revenue, which leads to further cuts by the MTA, which drives away more passengers
Sorry, for the bad news, Dave, but ya gotta face reality. New Yorkers are voting with their feet
Please visit the MTA website and check your ridership figures against their's.
Who is right?
I think you are nuts if you think that the State Legislature, City Council. Mayor, Borough Presidents, Governor, and the polutation' majority, would be anything but committed to retention and further improvement of thec subway system.
And if you think you can do a b etter job of -obtaining funds and how allocate what's obtained, with better handicapped-acdcess being only onec of several needed vimprovements, by all means apply to the MTA for a job in transportation planning.
The only time I had deep and heartfelt crfiticism was their very detailed planning for 14th-Street-Canarsie (L-Line) closure. And those plans went into the wastebasket, and a far-better approach to thev problem was effected.
From what I recall from their lazgtest figures, and I probably shoul,d haveSub posted them, and will when the next batch arrives, overall ridership of the Subway System is now at 80% pre-pandemic levels.
I'd appreciate learning the actuakl extent of Station ADA compliance for the CTA and the program toward 100%.
BEAUSABRE If "take the bus" is the answer, then let's scrap the subway and replace it with busses
DC Metro, which has been fully accessible from opening day, still has to do this to cover elevator outages. There's no workaround without resorting to the unlikely or impossible (I can't imagine how long a spiral ramp would be to get to some of the deeper stations).
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