Wherever the heck these engine's go, I'd like to make a point of NS turning into the next ATSF in terms of rebuilds. They sure had a lot of engines slotted for rebuilds in the 2012 locomotive issue. Since then, six axle 4,000 horsepower-8's have been added, along with "re-rating" the C40-9's to the GE standard 4,000.
"Now taking bets on the next top rebuild, the rebuild replacing the CF7. what do you think is the next top rebuild?"
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Though this is out of place, I don't want to revive an older thread.
What happened to the 13 BHP SD70ACes that were supposed to be shipped out of Port Hedland?
NorthWestFEC SD70M-2s 100-107 are going to CSX on lease.
Two different leasors at play here, as I recall. Fortress Investments and CITX, I believe (Although I've seen claims to the contrary, these seem to be the two that most often are cited as the owners of these). So the fleet might end up going to at least two different places.
A rumor at Railroad.net suggests that they're going to Maine (Presumably, the rumor mill is talking about the four supposedly owned by Fortress, which were delivered in RailAmerica paint instead of the Alaskan Railroad colors of the first four). But from the bits and pieces I've seen, their operation up there doesn't seem to enjoy the type of business at present to make productive use of such an asset.
So your NS rumor holds much more merit in my opinion. They or Canadian National seem the obvious homes for these. Not only are they the sole operators of M-2's outside of FEC, but both have been making regular visits to the used marketplace recently.
Leo_Ames Not to derail the thread (Although we are using it as a bit of a catch-all for all things related to NS motive power), but Altoona is working on a project of a different sort that most of us should find appealing. Courtesy of NSDash9... "NS 3170, the first Southern Railway EMD SD40, is being donated by NS and will be preserved at a museum. Repair work on the 3170 is currently underway at Altoona to replace its blown engine and get it back to running condition again. It had been in storage since it was retired back in 2007. NS will also repaint the unit back into the Southern Railway tuxedo scheme" Supposedly, N&W's first SD40 is also set aside with similar plans in mind.
Not to derail the thread (Although we are using it as a bit of a catch-all for all things related to NS motive power), but Altoona is working on a project of a different sort that most of us should find appealing.
Courtesy of NSDash9...
"NS 3170, the first Southern Railway EMD SD40, is being donated by NS and will be preserved at a museum. Repair work on the 3170 is currently underway at Altoona to replace its blown engine and get it back to running condition again. It had been in storage since it was retired back in 2007. NS will also repaint the unit back into the Southern Railway tuxedo scheme"
Supposedly, N&W's first SD40 is also set aside with similar plans in mind.
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Since the thread drifted to this back at about page three... I think that we can use this thread as a sort of modern power exchange thread.
Unsubstantiated rumors (repeated several places) regarding displaced FEC locomotives:
Starting in January
-CITX SD70M-2s 140-142 are going to CSX on lease.
-FEC SD70M-2s 100-107 are going to NS on lease.
-An unspecified quantity of surplus SD40-2s are going on lease to CSX.
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Always interesting to see Class 1's engaged in horse trading. Too bad that one of the fleet didn't survive to this point though so that Norfolk Southern would own all 30.
These SD40-2's must be in solid shape to be traded at this ratio (Less than two Dash 2's for every 80MAC). I'm not sure of what has happened mechanically, but NS has taken care of their exteriors so if they're in as good of shape mechanically, I doubt they will need much more than repainting (Which likely explains, to an outsider at least, the apparent disparity in numbers here).
Nice to see SD40-2's holding and even increasing in value, after several years where they were a glut on the market back towards the end of the last decade.
Update on the SD80MACs: It appears that NS is trading 23 SD40-2s for the 12 CSX SD80MACs. They are ex-CR rebuilds from SD40s.
GDRMCoSD80MACs are heading to NS early next year I believe ...
Isn't this NS assuming a lease January 1st?
Not really your fault, considering what the topic is. :)
I messaged NSDash9, hopefully he'll provide an update. With how quickly these other transactions seemed to move, I wonder if something fell through at the last moment before the deal was signed.
Yes, understood. I misread your post. Must not post while tired...
Anyway, there have been no reports that the SD80MACs are moving to NS. As of a few days ago, the CSX units were still in service doing their normal duties.
Despite the topic, a bit of discussion about other NS purchases of late model locomotives has slipped in here. I was asking about SD80MAC's, not SD90MAC's. Union Pacific never owned a SD80MAC. What you linked to is a SD90MAC convertible with a 4,300 HP, 16 cylinder 710.
All 30 SD80MAC's were bought by Conrail and inherited by CSX and Norfolk Southern. The reports several weeks ago were that NS was acquiring the dozen survivors on CSX (One was scrapped recently after wreck damage).
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=161989688842&story_fbid=10152452004283843
Some have been patched, and have entered service with NS.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504365&nseq=1
Did the SD80MAC aquisition fall through? Don't see those units listed at the NS Dash-9 roster, despite it quickly reflecting other recent purchases (Not to mention this).
FYI
In order to support locomotives with Siemens equipment, one must deal with Siemens Industry here in the States. EMD plays no role in this process-especially given that Siemens has become a full-fledged competitor.
The arrangment EMD had with Siemens was similar to that which Alco had engaged in with GE back in the day.
Siemens has their own field service force, parts depot and so on. At his late date, if software upgrades are required, they would also be sourced from Siemens. In the past, software issues were dealt with in Germany. Indeed, some of the technical docs for Siemens equipment is in German.
I wouldn't bet against Siemens bidding on any future upgrades to the locos that NS may have in mind.
The few I've seen in, or returned to, service are renumbered ones. The original 8000 series numbers are now used for GEs.
Just about all were removed from service. The engine shortage put a few back in service. Missouri Valley, Iowa still has a bunch in storage. I've been told that some of the ones sold came out of there. Although the dead line is smaller than it was, I don't know if that was true. Those remaining are a mix of original and renumbered units.
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beaulieu M636C UP purchased 310 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered from 8000 to 8309. Close, UP had 309 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered 8000 to 8308. 8309 is the first SD70ACe.
M636C UP purchased 310 SD9043MAC locomotives numbered from 8000 to 8309.
I always have trouble counting locomotives with the first one ending in zero...
But have all those not renumbered by UP been taken out of service?
It appears that the oldest units went to NS....
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The SD9043MAC's are starting to turn up in service on NS. I saw a few this morning at 43rd Street on an EB freight waiting for my train to clear. They were still in UP colors but renumbered and relettered for NS.
pedropI photographed some S9043 in Idaho in 2011. My friend there sent recent pics of them running with 36xx road number series. How many last in UP fleet? Is it possible to have a list of the renumbered ones?
YoHo1975The Cracks were caught during routine inspection. As far as I know, only one unit actually had it's fuel tank fall off due to the crack and I don't think that was the first unit to exhibit the problem.
Norfolk Southern bought these with rebuilding in mind. So a few issues really is rather a moot point. The basic platform is fine and should yield a fine, modern, six axle AC unit once overhauled and updated that should offer performance close to that of the latest EMD SD70ACe's (And perhaps in some respects thanks to the EPA, better).
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