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It would be easier to discuss these matters if you left your contempt for EPA out of this discussion. If it were not for EPA and similar agencies in other country it would look like the photos in links if industry, truckers etc would have had their way: Essen Ruhr Area 1985: <a href="http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/media/thumbs/8/8a15a9ecd50139e7c5f56b48065336c6v3_max_439x329_b3535db83dc50e27c1bb1392364c95a2.jpg">http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/media/thumbs/8/8a15a9ecd50139e7c5f56b48065336c6v3_max_439x329_b3535db83dc50e27c1bb1392364c95a2.jpg</a> Los Angeles 1970: <a href="http://images.hgmsites.net/med/1970s-los-angeles-smog-depicted-in-the-honda-short-film-never-ending-race_100457095_m.jpg">http://images.hgmsites.net/med/1970s-los-angeles-smog-depicted-in-the-honda-short-film-never-ending-race_100457095_m.jpg</a> EPA was implemented by Richard Nixon. The administrator is appointed by the President and approved by congress. Its limits are given in laws. So they can't act freely. It is not long ago that you claimed EPA can't be challenged now you tell they were sued and lost. I wrote this before so what is undemocratic about this procedure. In the early 1990 a new management method reached Germany coming from the USA. It said to manage a company you don't need to know what it does you just must be able to reed the numbers. So many lawyers became CEOs following experts in the field the company was working in. That seems to have happened at EPA. Do you really think there are no experts within the about 17,000 employees? [quote user="Shadow the Cats owner"] Let's not forget their Coal power Plant emission regualtions that was not only stopped in court but Overturned for being in the words of the court an Overreach of such outrageous overreach that if it is ever proposed again we are going so far as slap a permenet INJUCTION against it.[/quote] Do you mean the Clean Power Plan? It was initiated by than President Obama. As far as I know there was a 5:4 vote by the Supreme Court to stay the rules as they were negotiated in lower Federal Courts. Something completely democratic. I didn't learn of a final ruling. Do you have a link for me? But with the new President a ruling might not be needed. [quote user="Shadow the Cats owner"]What they want out of an engine is physically impossible and can not be done.[/quote] I don't know what is possible with diesel engine. You complained the lowering of sulfur content to below 15 ppm. I was surprised that this comes only now as below 10 ppm is German standard since 2008. It is much easier to meet NOx limits with less sulfur in the fuel. So you have to judge perhaps lower NOx limit together with lower sulfur content of the fuel. If diesel engines can meet future limits I don't know. Regards, Volker
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