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Virginian 2-6-6-6
Posted by SPer on Thursday, April 13, 2023 5:51 PM

Why did Virginian called their 2-6-6-6 Blue Ridge instead of Allegheny like the C&O. What's the reason.

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Posted by pennytrains on Thursday, April 13, 2023 6:00 PM

Corporate competition plain and simple as far as I know.  Virginian wouldn't use the name given by their competitor same as NYC used Mohawk and Niagara instead of Mountain and Northern.

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Posted by sgriggs on Friday, April 14, 2023 11:52 AM

My guess is that the name 'Blue Ridge' had more significance to the Virginian than 'Allegheny'.  Just like you wouldn't expect the NYC (The Water Level Route) to refer to their 4-8-2's as 'Mountains'.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, April 14, 2023 12:43 PM

Simple.  Those who pay the bill get the naming rights. 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Friday, April 14, 2023 3:50 PM

The Virginian 2-6-6-6 also got to visit a certain blue 0-6-0...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_zsnNs-VYI

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, April 16, 2023 8:50 AM

Here is a two minute short showing a few 2-6-6-6 locomotives under steam.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVNHywKHOOk&pp=ygURdmlyZ2luaWFuIDItNi02LTY%3D

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, April 16, 2023 10:52 AM

Here is 26 minutes of Virginian Vignettes taken by August Theime from 1949 until the N&W purchase of The Virginian.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ix6fUNaL4&pp=ygUadmlyZ2luaWFuIHJhaWx3YXkgY2xhc3MgYWc%3D

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, April 16, 2023 1:02 PM
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 16, 2023 1:50 PM

kgbw49
Here is a two minute short showing a few 2-6-6-6 locomotives under steam.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVNHywKHOOk&pp=ygURdmlyZ2luaWFuIDItNi02LTY%3D

Noticed a couple of cameo shots of the 1309's breathern in the form of the 1303.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, April 16, 2023 2:03 PM

From personal experience at the B&O Museum I can tell you you can't really appreciate the size of an Allegheny ( or Blue Ridge) until you see one up-close.  It's breathtaking!  

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, April 18, 2023 8:09 AM

Flintlock76

From personal experience at the B&O Museum I can tell you you can't really appreciate the size of an Allegheny ( or Blue Ridge) until you see one up-close.  It's breathtaking!  

 

Agreed!  The first time that I saw #1601 at the Henry Ford Museum, I was awestruck.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, April 18, 2023 9:56 AM

Backshop

 

 
Flintlock76

From personal experience at the B&O Museum I can tell you you can't really appreciate the size of an Allegheny ( or Blue Ridge) until you see one up-close.  It's breathtaking!  

 

 

 

Agreed!  The first time that I saw #1601 at the Henry Ford Museum, I was awestruck.

What's really interesting at the Henry Ford Museum is after seeing both VGN 1601 and the AGEIR boxcab was realizing that the diesel is OLDER than the steam locomotive.

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, April 26, 2023 7:52 PM

Interesting that the narrator says C&O didn't realize these were high speed freight engines until they moved them to Ohio.

Most people could tell that by looking at the builder's photos.

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, April 27, 2023 8:48 AM

7j43k

Interesting that the narrator says C&O didn't realize these were high speed freight engines until they moved them to Ohio.

Most people could tell that by looking at the builder's photos.

 

Ed

 

Not really unusual.  It's been said the Union Pacific didn't realize just how good their FEF (4-8-4) class of locomotives really were until they were downgraded to freight service when the passenger diesels showed up.  Those FEF's were capable of handling anything the UP threw at them.

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Posted by 7j43k on Thursday, April 27, 2023 8:31 PM

I wonder if the guys at Lima realized the 2-6-6-6's were high speed freight engines.

And if they did, why they didn't inform C&O, rather than waiting for them to eventually figure it out.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 27, 2023 8:53 PM

I thought Hirsimaki made it abundantly clear that high horsepower at speed was a principal element of the design.  A major reason it was so 'overweight' was the complex steam-tract arrangement that gave free admission and exhaust at high cyclic.  The target design was the N&W A class, and reportedly there was great glee when the first test results showing greater horsepower at speed came in.

No one familiar with steam technology would understand the design as anything but a fast-freight engine, and although 'sight unseen' about C&O's contemporary department of motive power, it is difficult to the point of disbelief to think that the people who would order the M-1s and the F-19 conversions into poppet-valve Hudsons would not recognize the Lima design as high-speed power even if there had been no AMC design history.

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