First NDG, and now my favorite Plantagenet!
Strange you should mention this: I tuned in to watch that scene last Saturday!
I'm not going back to see if it was mentioned already, but I just saw the chase scene from the French Connection today with Gene Hackman trying to chase down the El to get the bad guy on the train! Fantastic!
Same me, different spelling!
I started watching a 1931 movie "Mystery Train" starring Hedda Hopper, who I had only previously heard of as reporter on Hollywood activities. Fairly early on there was a nighttime train derailment. The real train shots were of a Southern Pacific Mountain type with a fairly crude model derailing. I found the actual movie tedious, so I scanned through for any further train sequences.
Around 58 minutes in there was a sequence where the sleeper-observation was detached by two criminals intent on stealing jewels from a passenger in that car.
Naturally the Westinghouse brakes didn't operate on either the car or the rest of the train (nor did the hand brakes later in the movie). There is a sequence around 59 minutes that shows the car being uncoupled from a moving train, which appears to be a real train. There is movement in the trees in that scene, which judging from other model sequences suggest that was real. There are a couple of further sequences of the observation running away down grade that look real (if speeded up for effect).
Around 1 hour there is a scene, obviously a model, showing the observation switched into a spur line seconds before being hit by a following train.
I can't see that they would use really good models and really poor models in the same movie.
Anyway, I recommend that anyone interested selectively watch the train sequences.
In one of the real train passing shots, the cast lettering reading "Southern Pacific Lines" can be seen on the side of the Vanderbilt tender. These views seem to have been photographed on steep, curved lines, possibly Chatsworth Rocks or possibly Cajon Pass.
But I can't recommend watching the movie.
Peter
I'm going to have to watch that film- fascinating-never seen a Double Fairlie in action before. Note the Model T Ford truck, they were built in the U.K.
I may have mentioned this one before...
A 1935 movie called "The Phantom Light" about a scheme to wreck ships by faking lighthouse lights in bad weather...
It starts with a journey on the Talyllyn railway behind a double Fairlie, including a woman in full Welsh traditional dress including hat changing the "staff" for the electric staff safeworking system. In the movie, she only speaks Welsh.
The sequence is only three minutes right at the start of the movie and is worth watching for the atmosphere of the line before preservation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVfqTJZi4AU
L.A. area. Suspect that the scene with the trolley wires supported by span wires was somewhere on the Pacific Electric as steam wa often operated on some of the PE lines.
Here's Laurel and Hardy on a train- any idea where it was filmed? Note the catenary near the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkBVxuBBrE
I think I may have posted part of this before, I've never seen the entire film.
We've all seen Buster Keaton in "The General" but have a look at this: "The Blacksmith" with train, car and horse gags. Funny as hell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmbfP1KwIB8&t=16s
Just saw the movie "The Boys next dor" About challenged adults. End of movie they all boarded a Budd car train to Vancouver Anchorage, and Russia. Wife completely broke up.
I watched a "Bulldog Drummond" movie "Bulldog Drummond's Secret Police".
These are set in England but were filmed in Hollywood with English actors in the lead roles.
The opening scene shows Drummond in a right hand drive open car passing a train travelling in the same direction. This is a Southern Pacific train, hauled by a Pacific and made up of arch roof Harriman cars. The scene was all filmed with back projection of the train scenes on a studio set, but included Drummond just beating the train across a grade crossing. That scene looked like the train might have been filmed in Cajon Pass on the old Route 66.
Drummond was supposedly heading for his home "Rockingham Towers" in England. The scene now changes to Rockingham station where a train (possibly the one Drummond overtook) pulls in.
This appears to be stock footage at a major station on the London Brighton and South Coast Railway, possibly on the Southern Railway after 1923. The film clip shows an LBSCR 4-4-2 tank locomotive hauling a British Pullman car (in brown and cream) and and a number of slightly different cars in a single dark colour.
The movie was released in 1939, but this train footage was much older, since the 4-4-2 tanks would not have been seen on Pullman trains after the late 1920s.
The dark coloured cars appear to have been from the "Folkestone Car Train". These cars were built in England in 1897 and were used in competiton with Pullman cars on "boat trains" meeting the ferries from Dover to Calais and return. These were built for the South Eastern Railway, later merged with the London Chatham and Dover as the South Eastern and Chatham.
The SECR were not as anti-Pullman as the SER, and sold these eight cars (and seven similar but older American built cars) to Pullman in 1919.
So the scene was probably post 1919 to see these cars behind an LBSC locomotive. The locomotive didn't appear to have the large numbers on the tank sides used by the Southern post 1923, so the scene may date to the early 1920s.
Overmod I started watching a Gene Hackman movie called "March or Die" (one of those Sir Lew Grade productions) which begins with a scene of WWi veterans teturning behind a locomotive with smoke deflectors, and then some scenes of travel on ostensibly Indian railroads -- I don't know if these were shot on location in Spain, but if you have an interest, you can watch it free on YouTube and take note of the details. Be advised that the plot and some of the ham acting is frequently excruciating.
I started watching a Gene Hackman movie called "March or Die" (one of those Sir Lew Grade productions) which begins with a scene of WWi veterans teturning behind a locomotive with smoke deflectors, and then some scenes of travel on ostensibly Indian railroads -- I don't know if these were shot on location in Spain, but if you have an interest, you can watch it free on YouTube and take note of the details. Be advised that the plot and some of the ham acting is frequently excruciating.
The only copy of "March or Die" I could find on youtube was dubbed in Spanish, which seemed appropriate and saved me from the dialogue...
The first scene is definitely in Spain and the locomotive is one of the 141-2101 type, a 2-8-2 built from 1954 until 1960, so there were plenty still around for movie makers. The later (desert?) scene appears to show another Spanish locomotive, a 140-2001 type, a 2-8-0 built by Baldwin in 1920, for some reason fitted with a fake oil burning headlight.
These two types were also used in the movie "Doctor Zhivago", with the 2-8-2 powering the special train for "Strelnikov"...
My wif bought a DVD collection of te Green Hornet serials. Notes with the DVD stated that filming took maybe three weeks, and economics of serials dictated re-using a lot of the shots. Reminds me of the 12 O'Clock High TV series, where the Messerschmidt with the big "3" on the side would show up in just about every episode.
I started watching "March or Die" on the tube about 30 or so years ago. Turned it off after about 20 minutes.
I found the 1930s movie serial of the "Green Hornet" on youtube. One episode was missing, but those left ran for around three hours...
The serials used "location" shots multiple times. There was one scene parking the Green Hornet's car under some trees that appeared at least once in every episode.
There were two train scenes (or one train scene used twice). This used an SP Harriman Pacific No 2423 hauling a short freight train. In the first use, some criminals board the locomotive to escape the Green Hornet, and in the second use, the criminals board the caboose. I suspect it was all filmed at once, although probably not in a single "take" (although it is quite possible).
One consistent feature of all episodes was the "cliff hanger" ending where the ending of an episode appeared to show the hero being killed, and the beginning of the next showed the same scenes with additional scenes cut in to show the hero escaping...
I think one of these included a model scene with freight cars running away on a steep grade.
Ed KyleHas "Bad Day at Black Rock" been mentioned?
I believe it has. This is one BIG successful topic!
Just a question returning to things "PA." Anyone know the status of Doyle McCormack's Alco PA restoration? There hasn't been much said about it lately, at least not that I've heard.
Mind you, I'm not critisizing Doyle in any way. It's downright miraculous what he's accomplished so far!
Has "Bad Day at Black Rock" been mentioned? A "Neo-Western" with Spencer Tracy, Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Anne Francis, Walter Brennan, and a streamliner crossing the desert on Southern Pacific's now-gone "Jawbone Branch".
- Ed Kyle
Overmod If I recall the RyPN discussions (in some of which I took part) there are other A-1-A trucks in other parts of the world that could be adapted and used; Pakistan as I recall had some that were not the World Locomotive trucks as in SA, and I believe some PAs were exported (to Brazil?) where, even though broad-gauged, many of the truck components including the distinctive visual ones could be utilized... with enough cubic dollars.
If I recall the RyPN discussions (in some of which I took part) there are other A-1-A trucks in other parts of the world that could be adapted and used; Pakistan as I recall had some that were not the World Locomotive trucks as in SA, and I believe some PAs were exported (to Brazil?) where, even though broad-gauged, many of the truck components including the distinctive visual ones could be utilized... with enough cubic dollars.
The Pakistani units were FA-2s fitted with trucks from an RSC-3 (so FAC-2 if you like). These are very short wheelbase to fit more or less into the space of the standard GSC B trucks. They were 1676mm gauge.
The Brazilian units had genuine PA trucks at 1600mm gauge. These could be fitted with standard gauge axles if required, although some adjustments of the brake gear would be required. All the "World" bogies in Auistralia were 1600 mm castings, fitted with standard or broad gauge wheelsets as required (although they came with fittings for brake gear on both gauges.)
I'm not sure that you could find a Brazilian PA, since there were only three to start with and I think they want to preserve one, (unsurprisingly).
It would be relatively easy to fabricate a frame that looked like a PA truck these days, and possibly cheaper than trying to use parts of a Brazilian truck.
As far as I know, the unit is still in Ontario with Alvin's Crntral as AC78.
There are no domestic trucks; as I recall, one extra truck from the ex-PRR Erie-built grinding train was saved, but subsequently scrapped for 'lack of demand' -- and of course these trucks are visibly wrong for Alco PA/PB even if they would blend in with Doyle's NKP 190...
I continue to regret that I missed the switch with the last Shark B-unit, which could have been mine for $3000 had I thought to ask. Interestingly at about the same time, SP took the OTHER heater car, #252 as I recall, which still supposedly had the A-1-A trucks still installed, and had it cut up...
Overmod 54light15 I sure did not know that the D & RG ran Alco PAs, my favourite diesel of all time. You do know that the surviving PB carbody is ex-D&RGW, right?
54light15 I sure did not know that the D & RG ran Alco PAs, my favourite diesel of all time.
You do know that the surviving PB carbody is ex-D&RGW, right?
I saw the unit in Los Angeles at LAUPT in 1996. It was still painted in D&RGW yellow and silver and was serving as a power car for the former Ski Train coaches in the same colours, which had formed a train hauled by ex SP Pacific 2472. It was fitted with EMD Blomberg B trucks.
Are there any more trucks suitable to return it to service as a locomotive?
Where is it now?
Another railroad titled movie from the 1950s was Kansas Pacific which concerned a plot by Southern sympathisers to delay construction of the railroad prior to the outbreak of the civil war. Again this doesn't really qualify and the chronology seems a bit suspect from the brief references on Wikipedia.
The railroad scenes mostly used a familiar 4-6-0, Sierra No 3 as used in Petticoat Junction and other TV programs, along with a couple of short passenger cars and small freight cars. There was one scene that showed a somwhat more modern 4-4-0 and another that showed a (possibly narrow gauge) 2-8-0.
Overmod- No, I didn't know that. Another good Western with some, not many train scenes is "The Cheyenne Social Club" and is well worth watching just to see Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda ham it up.
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M636CThere is one of the classic Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movies from the 1940s
All the Basil Rathbone "Sherlock Holmes" films are classic. A number of other actors have done a good job with the role but Basil WAS Sherlock! Perfect casting!
Rathbone once said he was jealous of Sherlock because:
"I WISH I was as intelligent as Sherlock Holmes!"
54light15I sure did not know that the D & RG ran Alco PAs, my favourite diesel of all time.
There is one of the classic Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movies from the 1940s, Terror by Night which is based on a train journey from London to Scotland. The train scenes are mostly based on mock ups of train exteriors and interiors, with some model (No 1 gauge?) scenes.
The train is supposedly an LMS train departing from Euston station (reasonably convenient to 221B Baker Street) however both the models and carriage external mock ups are very closely based on Great Western Railway trains, the model using a "Castle" class locomotive. Despite this the carriages mock ups are lettered "LMS" in reasonably correct style.
The plot involves an attempt to steal a huge diamond belonging to an elderly lady, with Holmes trying to prevent the theft, with a number of unlikely reversals of fortune.
Some train footage appears to be from stock as used in Hitchcock's The Lady Vanishes, including shots of the valve gear of a large scale model (12 inch gauge) of a French PLM Pacific locomotive. There is on station stop where the train is headed by A German Pacific locomotive, 01 083....
I dunno if I should include this one as it goes against this threads guidelines. It's a train movie for sure and it's called "Denver and Rio Grande." It's about the building of a railroad and no fair guessing which one. There are some early shots of 1952 vintage D & RG freight and passenger trains and I sure did not know that the D & RG ran Alco PAs, my favourite diesel of all time.
With Edmond O'Brien and Sterling Hayden, It's a decent story and well worth a look and the scenery is spectacular!
Sunnylandone of my favs, just like The Train and Von Ryan's Express
I LOVE "The Train," one of the best train/war movies ever!
"Von Ryan's Express?" Eh, not so much. The book was a LOT better than the film, but the train action's good.
I have been watching that PBS "around the world in 80 days" blue streak and it was nice to see a train in a movie for a change. I doubt that would have worked to get the engine across the gap in rails on bridge. Just like a friend who saw Unstoppable train going around that hard turn on bridge and not tumbling off. He took physics in college so he knows about forces. I did not care, just a great flick to watch, one of my favs, just like The Train and Von Ryan's Express were my Dad's but Mom & I loved them too.
M636CThere is very little of interest on TV at this time of the year.
Man, there's very little of interest ANY time of year anymore!
I've spent more time on YouTube, quality time I might add, lately than I have infront of the other tube.
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