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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM
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 To those who say the F40PHs are not worth saving I would like to remind everyone that many had the same feelings about the EA through E7 EMD models, PA and DL109 Alco models, and Erie Built FM locomotives.  What is common, ugly, or boring today will be historically significant in a decade or two.  Plain Jane Amtrak F40PH deserve to be saved because they pulled our nations passenger trains through some of Amtrak's most turbulent years.
If you read the older posts in this thread, you'll find a couple have already been saved. I'll most certainly agree that the F40PH is worth saving, but how many do we need to save?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, March 15, 2010 8:45 AM

Metra is beginning to cycle its F40PH's through a rebuilding program so they should remain in service for several more years.

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Posted by aegrotatio on Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:24 PM

 Well, there's always the MBTA.  They seem to have many.

 

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Posted by SRen on Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:10 PM

 To those who say the F40PHs are not worth saving I would like to remind everyone that many had the same feelings about the EA through E7 EMD models, PA and DL109 Alco models, and Erie Built FM locomotives.  What is common, ugly, or boring today will be historically significant in a decade or two.  Plain Jane Amtrak F40PH deserve to be saved because they pulled our nations passenger trains through some of Amtrak's most turbulent years.

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Posted by Ham549 on Monday, December 21, 2009 3:42 PM

 All of VREs F40's have been bought by rail world for $150,000 each most likely these locomotives will have there engines rebuilt and sent to Poland and the rest of the unit will be scrapped.

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Posted by NHCentralFan on Monday, November 2, 2009 11:42 PM

Just last week I saw one of the VRE units going through Chelmsford, MA as a trailing unit on a Pan AM freight. Looked like it was headed for Maine. Has PA leased any of them?

 

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Posted by Ham549 on Monday, November 2, 2009 5:04 PM
I am horrible at spelling, and would love to have an editor in the organization to go over this stuff before it gets posted. Also thoes VRE locomotives would be perfect for this organization but we have no funding.
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Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, September 28, 2009 5:32 PM

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  shay1925 wrote:
Perhaps it might be better to put your money into one of the two F40s that are already preserved, 281 at California State Railraod Museum or 307 at NC Transportation Museum. As a volunteer and board member at Spencer, I can tell you that the 307 would look great -- in a new coat of paint!

Jim Wrinn

 

 ....which raises the interesting question of which scheme?  Do you paint it in the "as delivered", big red and blue, skinny white stripes?  Or, the 2nd scheme with the equal red, white and blue with offset "Amtrak" on the nose?

If my memory serves, the 2nd scheme was more long-lived (and I like it better!)

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At least two F40s got repainted into Amtrak's Surfliner scheme shortly before they were retired. I think the F40s looked good in that scheme.

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Posted by aegrotatio on Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:21 AM

Physically they are in beautiful shape.

Mechanically, as in hard, daily commuter service, they are showing their age.

 

It's not the same thing and you would know this.

 

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Posted by cprted on Friday, September 18, 2009 3:09 PM

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All of them are in daily commuter service and have been breaking down more and more often and are awaiting their replacements.  They're in beautiful shape, but one does appear to have a merely cosmetic rust blister on the front under the paint.

These two sentences contradict each other.  If they are in such beautiful shape, they wouldn't be breaking down.

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Posted by aegrotatio on Friday, September 18, 2009 2:03 PM

 Virginia Railway Express at http://www.vre.org/ has put up all of their owned locomotives for sale including THREE F-40PH units.  The Procurement section has a document detailing the proposition to sell: http://vre.org/about/procurement/

To quote: "The F-40s were built in the mid - 1970s, with top deck rebuilds and new hot starts completed in 2004-2005."

These units draw HEP off the prime mover.  The document below has extensive details: http://vre.org/about/procurement/RFI_09-017_Sale_of_Locomotives/Notice%20of%20Intent%20to%20Sell.pdf

VRE would love to dispose of these units.  All of them are in daily commuter service and have been breaking down more and more often and are awaiting their replacements.  They're in beautiful shape, but one does appear to have a merely cosmetic rust blister on the front under the paint.

 Note, I went to your web site and Facebook pages and I respectfully and highly recommend that you have someone correct your spelling and grammar.

 

 

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Posted by Ham549 on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:57 PM

I have set up a website www.f40ph.org and a facebook page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39359228880 What I need to do is start a non-profit but to do that I need a Treasurer and Clerk and volenteers are almost impossable to find. 

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Posted by espeefoamer on Saturday, February 9, 2008 2:24 PM
I know of 2 F40s that have been saved.One is in the California State Railroad Museum,and one in Portland OR.,owned by an individual.While the F40 was not my favorite locomotive,it is important to save such a major part of Amtrak history,as the F40 was the premier loco used by Amtrak for well over 20 years.
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Posted by SchemerBob on Saturday, February 9, 2008 12:27 PM

 cprted wrote:
 clash wrote:
Does'nt the Ski train between Denver and winter park use ex Amtrak F40PH's?

It would appear so.

It would also appear that those units get around to other places at times...that photo was taken in Coralville, Iowa, a suburb of Iowa City! Notice the "Coral Ridge Ave" address on the Steak & Shake billboard. I've been in that area several times.

Also I agree, too bad a P30CH wasn't saved. Those were interesting engines, and they were all scrapped. Saving another F40 is good for this very reason - so there'll always be one around somewhere.

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Posted by Ham549 on Friday, February 8, 2008 8:21 PM

Thanks for the updated phase III sigSmile [:)]

It dosen't take that much to help out. here is a chart of some stuff I sell and there price and how much I make off them. A $4.49 Magnet goes a long way.

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Posted by Southwest Chief on Wednesday, February 6, 2008 4:55 PM

 Ham549 wrote:
Phase III all the way Big Smile [:D]

Totally agree.  Phase III looks great on F40s, and F40s look great in phase III Thumbs Up [tup]

Hey Ham, work on the F40 in your sig so it's in phase III.  Not sure what phase it's in now?  Like a phase II without white pinstripes, and a too large blue section.

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:28 PM

 Krazykat112079 wrote:
Here's a question for the nay-sayers.  Why not save it?  Someone shows an interest in preserving a piece of American railroad heritage.  I say kudos.  I have no idea how many if any are safely within the confines of a museum, but one more wouldn't hurt, would it?  Every locomotive preserved, if even only for a static display, is a win in my book.

Limited resources can be spread too thin.  Better to preserve one well than preserve two only to have them rust away to scrap.

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Posted by Krazykat112079 on Monday, January 28, 2008 1:11 PM
Here's a question for the nay-sayers.  Why not save it?  Someone shows an interest in preserving a piece of American railroad heritage.  I say kudos.  I have no idea how many if any are safely within the confines of a museum, but one more wouldn't hurt, would it?  Every locomotive preserved, if even only for a static display, is a win in my book.
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Posted by chuck842 on Monday, January 28, 2008 11:24 AM
please take all ours from the mbta in boston good riddance!
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Posted by Ham549 on Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:29 PM
Phase III all the way Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:52 PM

 shay1925 wrote:
Perhaps it might be better to put your money into one of the two F40s that are already preserved, 281 at California State Railraod Museum or 307 at NC Transportation Museum. As a volunteer and board member at Spencer, I can tell you that the 307 would look great -- in a new coat of paint!

Jim Wrinn

 ....which raises the interesting question of which scheme?  Do you paint it in the "as delivered", big red and blue, skinny white stripes?  Or, the 2nd scheme with the equal red, white and blue with offset "Amtrak" on the nose?

If my memory serves, the 2nd scheme was more long-lived (and I like it better!)

 -Don

 

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Posted by Jim Wrinn on Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:14 PM
Perhaps it might be better to put your money into one of the two F40s that are already preserved, 281 at California State Railraod Museum or 307 at NC Transportation Museum. As a volunteer and board member at Spencer, I can tell you that the 307 would look great -- in a new coat of paint!

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Posted by Mr_Ash on Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:25 AM

Its called lease to own, when the lease is up Ansco Investment Co will own the three engines... why the heck would they strip the engines they just finished paying off for parts? What would they use to pull the skitrain then?  Sign - Dots [#dots]

Ansco Investment Co. already "Saved" those three Ex.Amtrak F40PH's isnt that good enough for you? Zzz [zzz]

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Posted by Ham549 on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:06 PM
And when the leas ends they are then most likely going to be striped for parts. Censored [censored]
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Posted by Thomas Tancula on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:48 PM

The Ski Train locomotives are owned by Rail World Locomotive Leasing and are on lease to the Ski Train/Ansco.

 

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Posted by Mr_Ash on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:02 AM

Mmm Ski train..... They were leasing engines from Amtrak for a few years after they stopped using the D&RGW GP60's, They got 242, 283, 289 on a lease to buy deal from Amtrak in 2000 and had them painted to match the train

You guys might find this site of interest.

http://www.on-track-on-line.com/amtkrinf-f40activ.shtml

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Posted by cprted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:08 AM
 clash wrote:
Does'nt the Ski train between Denver and winter park use ex Amtrak F40PH's?

It would appear so.
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Posted by clash on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:18 PM
Does'nt the Ski train between Denver and winter park use ex Amtrak F40PH's?
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Posted by Southwest Chief on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:56 PM
Wish this sort of effort was put into saving a P30CH.  Such an Amtrak oddity.  Oh well.

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