Trains.com

Sailing the Iron Ocean

1811 views
20 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    May 2019
  • 1,061 posts
Sailing the Iron Ocean
Posted by BEAUSABRE on Monday, July 18, 2022 11:31 AM

Ahoy, matey! (note that back in the Cretacious Age of Railroading, the Conductor was called the "Captain")  a view of the complete rigging of the above (but how do you tack or wear...) A modern replica of Spooner's Boat on the Ffestiniog in Wales                                                                                                                                    "The date of construction of the original rail-boat is unknown, but is considered to be before 1863. It was destroyed when Mr Spooner left Tanygrisiau in the rail-boat, to travel down the line under gravity, but without carrying the train staff. (a wooden staff that would have given him authority to travel on that section of single line) Predictably, the rail-boat crashed into an up train at the north end of the old Moelwyn tunnel in February 1886. Those on board jumped clear and no-one was killed, but most were injured.

 

The reconstructed rail-boat is currently fitted with a dipping lug rig, and with this fitted she has reached 20 mph. (17.4 knots)

 

You can find out a good deal more information from Festipedia, which is like Wikipedia but specialising in the history of the Ffestiniog Railway" 

(4) Spooner's Boat is back in action - YouTube        (4) The boat used to travel around a railway - Ffestiniog "Boat" - YouTube                                                                                                            
  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,112 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Monday, July 18, 2022 6:57 PM

phileas fogg approved

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, July 18, 2022 7:46 PM

Aye shipmates, sometimes ye have ter stop and smell the salt air instead of the coal smoke and valve oil!

Captain

Come with me while I steer us to the nor'rad..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y5FPDojbOE

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 19,395 posts
Posted by Overmod on Monday, July 18, 2022 11:03 PM

Wasn't sail power remarkably similar to this one of the pre-Tom Thumb methods proposed for the B&O?

 

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 19,395 posts
Posted by Overmod on Monday, July 18, 2022 11:12 PM

Aye lad but I prefer summats more substantial than sailboat fuel in me chanteys:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhCUn5xEORs

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:40 AM

Great find Mod-Man!  Loved it! 

  • Member since
    December 2007
  • From: Georgia USA SW of Atlanta
  • 11,150 posts
Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 7:27 PM

Handling the sails is just like traversing a narrow channel.  Raildirection will cause many tackings or jiving.  Hopefully not too much wind straight  on but jib sail will help.

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • 2,317 posts
Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 12:24 AM

Put yer backs in it, laddies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3afGi3REu8

  • Member since
    March 2016
  • From: Burbank IL (near Clearing)
  • 12,946 posts
Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:04 AM

blue streak 1

Handling the sails is just like traversing a narrow channel.  Raildirection will cause many tackings or jiving.  Hopefully not too much wind straight  on but jib sail will help.

 
Tacking on a fixed rail line might be a bit difficult.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:17 AM

kgbw49
Put yer backs in it, laddies!

Wow!  Thanks, I loved it!

You know, I never really had an urge to go to sea, but I LOVE old sea chanteys and forebitters. (Sailor songs that aren't chanteys.)  

Here's a New England variation on kgb's submission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXcT4WGrUBo

  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,112 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:15 PM

I can't resist adding me favorite!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AkjTGCrLvAU

 

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:57 PM

Great choice Becky!  You know of all the films he did Kirk Douglas said he had more fun doing this one than all the others.  You know, it shows!  

I'll tell you, the attention to detail on that US Navy Civil War era ship is incredible, I'm amazed every time I watch the film.  There was two  things they got wrong, but that's all.  And you wouldn't know unless you knew. 

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 19,395 posts
Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 8:01 PM

But it's soooooo hard to get past the fact that he isn't actually playing that guitar.Smile

  • Member since
    December 2007
  • From: Georgia USA SW of Atlanta
  • 11,150 posts
Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 9:48 PM

Overmod

But it's soooooo hard to get past the fact that he isn't actually playing that guitar.Smile

Had the impression is that the actual sound was placed in on a sound stage.

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • 2,317 posts
Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:45 PM

'76, thanks for the explanation of forebitter! I got to learn something new and cool. Love to expand the vocabulary!

Here, then, is a forebitter sung by the same group who are actual fishermen from a small port in England. They would sing together on their boats and at town functions and then were discovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNwhbyiA4Y

 

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, July 21, 2022 7:43 AM

Overmod

But it's soooooo hard to get past the fact that he isn't actually playing that guitar.Smile

 

That was typical for musical numbers in movies.  Do the singing/acting separately and add the sound and music later.

I don't know about the guitar, but Kirk could play the banjo.  I saw him do it on the "Tonight" show years ago.

  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,112 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Thursday, July 21, 2022 6:14 PM

He did.  He learned.  AND, the quick throw and return move was his idea.  Dubbing is common.  But he really did play and sing the song live at least once.

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,656 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, July 21, 2022 6:58 PM

kgbw49
Here, then, is a forebitter sung by the same group who are actual fishermen from a small port in England.

Those guys are fantastic!  Thanks!

Here's a classic old forebitter, so old no-one really knows it's origin, but I'm sure a lot of you might recognize it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A56XmPxogYw

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • 2,317 posts
Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, July 23, 2022 8:15 AM

Wooden ships and iron men, as the saying goes. And iron women too!

It took an iron spine to persevere in days of yore, no doubt! 

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 19,395 posts
Posted by Overmod on Sunday, July 24, 2022 8:15 AM
  • Member since
    December 2017
  • 2,655 posts
Posted by Lithonia Operator on Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:11 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

 

 
blue streak 1

Handling the sails is just like traversing a narrow channel.  Raildirection will cause many tackings or jiving.  Hopefully not too much wind straight  on but jib sail will help.

 

 

 
Tacking on a fixed rail line might be a bit difficult.
 

If the wind direction changed you could tack without changing the direction of the vehicle/vessel. If you go from having the wind on one side to having it on the other, and the wind is abeam or foreword, you have tacked. This could happen on straight track due to a wind shift, or on a curve which results in the wind coming from the opposite side.

The same applies if you are going downwind, but then it would be a jibe instead of a tack.

 

Still in training.


Join our Community!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

Search the Community

Newsletter Sign-Up

By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy