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 John,Maybe they have done it unintended.Do not know, how much they shared common avail. design parts or particular designs, buts lets say, all starts with some ( GSI - mostly ? ) casted frame, scaled up on a wished/designed/-frame...I mean the technical approach of such an engine. OK. you are right to say they were an equivalent stronger ( yet more expensive )  articulated  than the Challengers in gen. UP service. But from outside they look more like a Yellowstone to me... ---do i feel wrong? lars -BTW. agree too that the team around Jabelman and Alco and more worked pretty hand in hand together as they have been ordered to...
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