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Autobus Pime and vsmith,  I agree with both of you on this.  I am all for protecting the environment, reducing pollution, etc. but I see the green movement as something else entirely, and I hope I don't sound like I am defending it.  When I said that the green movement likes modernity and disdains history, I can see how that is not entirely the case.  I think they disdain industrial history.  For that matter, they disdain capitalism.  They see free market capitalism as being responsible for what they regard too much consumption and material excess.  Above all, the green movement wants to roll back the materialistic lifestyle to what they always refer to as a sustainable level.  So, in the sense of that rollback, you could say that they disdain the future and want to move from the present back into the past.  But their past would not include steam locomotives because those are the vehicles that propelled us into the unsustainable future.    I certainly agree that the green movement is almost like a religion, in that much of it cannot be questioned on a scientific basis.  It is also full of hypocrisy where you have green advocates making big exceptions where the green movement tends to threaten their own lifestyle.  Living a non-green lifestyle while preaching greenness, and justifying the discrepancy by purchasing carbon offsets is an example of such hypocrisy.  In many ways, carbon offsets are actually hypocrisy offsets.
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