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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:16 PM

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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/BurntCabins67.jpg

A section just to the west of Burnt Cabins with the insert showing the SPRR map grades location on the aerial. Partially built but of course never completed. The turnpike i utilizing most of this proposed section just west of Huntingdon County in Fulton County.

  Just to "activate" the link.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:15 PM

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The South Penn was to build a double loop at the Chestnut Ridge at the last mountain along its main line. It is at mile post 84 where traveling east a third lane on the Pennsylvania Turnpike has been built in the 1990's. A deep cut is immediately entered as you travel east as you begin your climb to reach the highway route 982 overpass in the next valley north of the town of Laurelville.

I originally thought the South Penn was to cross just above the community of Alice. However I have a rough map that showed a arrow type boundary line that on the 1939 aerial can be seen the same boundary line. I Immediately re- examined my research to look at other landmarks and actually found more including the area I call star junction.  . Basically as you enter this deep turnpike cut a railroad trestle would have needed to have been built high above you today as you travel through the turnpike cut.

This map has red arrows which is the original route I suspected the South Penn was to build creating a south and north loop along the ridge north and south of the Pennsylvania Turnpike as it is built. The blue arrows are the adjusted route using nine landmarks found on the 1939 aerial photos that used show where it really should be built. I look at these landmarks as a finger print marks that identify a persons identity. I will up load these later as I have to do this where I have free wifi locations as I have very little air card space on my own supply card.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/topochestnutridge-1.jpg

  Just took the liberty of 'activating' that link for you.  I may do that as well for the other links that you posted - thanks for that !

That's an interesting mark-up of the USGS topo map - thanks for posting it. 

Have you seen Herbert H. Harwood's recent book, "The Railroad That Never Was" ?  Any comments or a review of it ?  Thanks.

- Paul North. 

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:04 PM

I bought tickets for that Amtrak ride so I will be crossing that bridge about 12:00 on the 26 of February.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:01 PM

Answer!

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:47 PM

Can you guess what it cost to build a two story house back then?

 

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:45 PM

Soth Pennsylvania letter describing the double 2% grade loop and the 1% straight grade that the Turnpike chose to use on the Chestnut Ridge. Notice how an alternate alignment was planned to West Newton on the Youghiogheny River just south of Sutersville on what was the P&LE Vanderbilt line.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:03 PM

That was an exploratory route. They surveyed it as a possibility but killed that route for of course the route at the site we all know of at Lemoyne. But understand b4 they got into the fight with the Pennsylvania that they (Vanderbilt) had the Sherman Valley and Broad top route which was the one they rejected at the Marysville route. Your learning something that not to many people know of or could have imagined until I revealed it just like I didn't know about Col Stonewall Jackson had detoured some B&O trains south out of Harper;s Ferry as a topic on this form mentions.

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:42 PM

rixflix

And while we're at this, how ARE you Quents? Haven't seen posts from you lately. You may recall that my interest in the South Penn comes from the Reading (P&R) and Gowan/Vanderbilt/Morgan/Scott days. Wish I'd been a fly on the wall to hear what went on there!!!!!

I'm missing you,

Rixflix

Hi Rix..............Sure, I'm on here each day.....We're hanging in there and taking one day at a time.  I see your posts on here when you appear occasionally, and do respond...Perhaps you missed them. 

Hang in there and enjoy

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Posted by rixflix on Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:37 PM

I can't beleive the South Penn would've gone north of H'burg instead of going over the PH&P bridge.

RIX

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:48 AM

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/MergedChestnutRidgecomp.jpg

 

Here is the aerial of the Chestnut Ridge. If this is not good for viewing then pease send for it via e-mail as Photobucket tends to make them small.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:39 AM

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/BurntCabins67.jpg

A section just to the west of Burnt Cabins with the insert showing the SPRR map grades location on the aerial. Partially built but of course never completed. The turnpike i utilizing most of this proposed section just west of Huntingdon County in Fulton County.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:02 AM

The South Penn was to build a double loop at the Chestnut Ridge at the last mountain along its main line. It is at mile post 84 where traveling east a third lane on the Pennsylvania Turnpike has been built in the 1990's. A deep cut is immediately entered as you travel east as you begin your climb to reach the highway route 982 overpass in the next valley north of the town of Laurelville.

I originally thought the South Penn was to cross just above the community of Alice. However I have a rough map that showed a arrow type boundary line that on the 1939 aerial can be seen the same boundary line. I Immediately re- examined my research to look at other landmarks and actually found more including the area I call star junction.  . Basically as you enter this deep turnpike cut a railroad trestle would have needed to have been built high above you today as you travel through the turnpike cut.

This map has red arrows which is the original route I suspected the South Penn was to build creating a south and north loop along the ridge north and south of the Pennsylvania Turnpike as it is built. The blue arrows are the adjusted route using nine landmarks found on the 1939 aerial photos that used show where it really should be built. I look at these landmarks as a finger print marks that identify a persons identity. I will up load these later as I have to do this where I have free wifi locations as I have very little air card space on my own supply card.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/topochestnutridge-1.jpg

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Posted by rixflix on Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:44 AM

And while we're at this, how ARE you Quents? Haven't seen posts from you lately. You may recall that my interest in the South Penn comes from the Reading (P&R) and Gowan/Vanderbilt/Morgan/Scott days. Wish I'd been a fly on the wall to hear what went on there!!!!!

I'm missing you,

Rixflix

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:08 PM

Quentin!

How have you been. Just an update. Still doing the South Penn of course. My latest search is the Chestnut Ridge. I thought I had that section down pat but found an interesting landmark on the rough South Pennsylvania Railroad map and found I was about a mile out of alignment. I found like finger prints about nine marks to verify where the correct alignment was to be built.

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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:14 AM

.....Good photos and data for history Russ.  Almost no one has knowledge of when they pass over certain parts of current Turnpike, they are passing over a culvert or small bridge of some kind that was part of RR history of roughly 125 years ago, etc.....But we do.  As for me, I know it's there but not just where....But that's ok.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:35 AM

 Here is the same side as the old photo. The turnpike added onto the South Penn built Fortune Teller Run culvert. The turnpike guard rail is seen topside. This is found at mile post 176.0 exact. I am talking to Tom Taylor owner of the next property east of this culvert site and he is one of the descendants of the original property owners and that was written on the South Penn maps as George Taylor. A bridge just to the east of this site is named Taylor.

 

 

By the way on opening post, I waited a long time to get my shot of the Rockville bridge and finally got it here is mine with AM Track o it. Never expected to get this just happened. We arrived just as it was crossing the viaduct. The valley to the right of the top is where the South Penn had done a survey to cross through after building their bridge just up steam from this bridge.

 

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:38 PM
I knew you would get this and was glad you did. I just mentioned to my new partner and she laughed when she read this as I told her about you and your stay the last time we talked about the hotel and the interchange.

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:55 PM

.....Surprised Russ, to see you back on here.....See you're still at it.  We were over in the Pennsylvania area over the long Memorial Day Holiday period.  And again at the Hampton Inn at Somerset and  I thought of you as I looked out our hotel window and glanced down at the old PW&S  ROW at the edge of the parking lot.....Heading down towards the toll both.

Hope you are doing well.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:32 AM

Been off for a while but our latest discovery is the finding of this culvert which is still used by the turnpike above it and though this end was destroyed and extended by the turnpike by about 20 feet, still exists today. The bottom photo is what it looks like today.

 

 

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, November 24, 2007 7:41 PM

.....When one thinks about your location there...once a thriving and very busy thruway....now one can camp right beside of it.  Would have been hard to imagine years ago as it was still active.

I would wonder about some bears in that area....Think I'd rather be in the trailer...ha.  And....I'd have thought I'd see a license plate referencing in some way to the "SouthPenn"......

Bears or not, you must have made out ok....

Glad to hear that portion is at least being used {preserved}, with the bike trail operation.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, November 24, 2007 7:10 PM

 

Went camping last year since end of August at least four times on the old abandoned turnpike as seen here. Adrian next to Sue. Trailer is not completed as money came short because of wifes death. This is on the east end of the now bike trail at the Sideling Hill Cove Plaza.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, November 24, 2007 7:02 PM

....And would you believe we're right back where this thread started from.  No matter, that is a fantastic view from up there...{I've not been on the ground up there in person}, but have been on one of those highways at the base of the hill some years ago.  Took that route {don't remember from where}, a nice drive up through there and ended up in Lock Haven.  At that time, had an Aunt and Uncle living there.  They've since passed on.

Russ...have you finished that trailer yet....?

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:53 PM

No a road get us to the top and a 1/2 hour walk along the ridge gets me that shot. Yes the Pennsylvanian on a saturday afternoon. I located another hill on the opposite side and will check that out at a later date. That will look good hopefully.

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:24 PM

...Climbing that hill to see that view should reward one with something spectactular and it looks like you did catch the rare one...What, is that the Pennsylvanian...

Looks like you have been busy.  Another rare find...{under the Turnpike}.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:17 PM

 

Passenger train crosses Rockville Bridge. We didn't expect to see this train but got here just as it was crossing. Great timing huh?. 

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:53 PM

When you drive over the Pennsylvania Turnpike @ mp 106.0, you drive over this South Penn culvert. 1/2 South Penn,1/2 turnpike cement. Sue and her son Adrian explore the wor. Sue is my girlfriend.

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, November 24, 2007 7:52 AM

.....Good Morning Russ....Welcome back, glad to see you on here.  Hope you are doing well.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:43 AM

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/spennrr18811885/Amtrackcurve.jpg

 

Here is my walk into the woods to get what I didn't expect to get crossing the bridge.  

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Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:07 PM

....Maybe more will join in if they will see some of this.

Back tomorrow.

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Posted by southpennrailroad on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:54 PM

It's a great subject. I would not have really researched it but I found great interest in locating evidence of its whereabouts as wella s many other evidence that show its worth keeping on the story. The SPRR is worth staying focused on.

 

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