Euclid Would they all come back if the companies tripled the pay?
Would they all come back if the companies tripled the pay?
Of course not. Same situation where I work. There are simply some things that all the money in existance wouldn't entice me to do.
Euclid If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is.
If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is.
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EuclidWould they all come back if the companies tripled the pay?
Right now it looks to be anywhere from 17 - 30% raise based on proposals to the PEB.
The PEB could come up with their own numbers below or above that, but I highly doubt it.
Let's stay in the real world - but if we're going to indulge fantasy:
while many probably would come back for 3x, I'm sure some wouldn't.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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EuclidIf they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is.
You would be amazed how many, within their 90 day probationary period vote with a 'up yours'. Many more after 1 year and those that PSR mandate to be furloughed. FOGETABOUTIT.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
EuclidSupply and demand is all that determines pay, so if supply is too low in general, it proves that the wages are too low
Higher pay will seduce a new round of ignorants to "take the cheese". But eventually they will wonder where their lives went, and they'll quit too.
EuclidSupply and demand is all that determines pay
That is such an over-simplified perspective that it is practically useless. As other posters have said, working conditions seem to be a larger factor. Jobs are not the same as bushels of corn.
EuclidWhat I would like to see is a list of specific improved condtions that labor would accept as a solution to the problem.
Read the proposals & section 6 notices. It's been out there for a while.
Higher pay will attract workers, but better working conditions will keep people from quitting. Most of the people that quit from my terminal took jobs with lower pay. And these weren't brand new guys, either. Most had at least 5 years in.
New hires coming in know what the pay is, they just don't know the "real" working conditions. Since railroad employees on this forum say that most don't come back from furlough leads me to believe that it was the working conditions that they didn't like.
I think Oberman is right when he says that if companies are not able to hire enough people, they are not paying enough. Supply and demand is all that determines pay, so if supply is too low in general, it proves that the wages are too low. But when I mentioned this in another thread, I was told that railroaders want better conditions rather than more pay.
The problem is that increasing pay is a lot simpler than improving condtions. The only way to handle this is to offer higher pay -or- an alternative of better conditions and see which choice the employees will accept.
What I would like to see is a list of specific improved condtions that labor would accept as a solution to the problem.
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/stb-chairman-says-higher-pay-would-help-solve-railroad-crew-shortages/
My impression is that it's more about working conditions, time off, etc. than pay.
Still in training.
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