Ulrich zugmann Really reaching here. Whatever. Plenty of people here and elsewhere (and in congressional testimonies) have spoken on the issues. Ignore them all you want. Not my hill to die on.. and some of those talking heads say pay more.
zugmann Really reaching here. Whatever. Plenty of people here and elsewhere (and in congressional testimonies) have spoken on the issues. Ignore them all you want.
Really reaching here.
Whatever. Plenty of people here and elsewhere (and in congressional testimonies) have spoken on the issues. Ignore them all you want.
Not my hill to die on.. and some of those talking heads say pay more.
Truly spoken like General Custer approaching Little Big Horn.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD Ulrich zugmann Really reaching here. Whatever. Plenty of people here and elsewhere (and in congressional testimonies) have spoken on the issues. Ignore them all you want. Not my hill to die on.. and some of those talking heads say pay more. Truly spoken like General Custer approaching Little Big Horn.
Yeah.. but still a hero in folklore... Crazy Horse not so much..
Murphy Siding Euclid If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is. As I recall, some time back you said that you work as a consultant, as your own boss. That explains why you seem to have no concept of the work-a-day world and work environments.
Euclid If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is.
If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is.
As I recall, some time back you said that you work as a consultant, as your own boss. That explains why you seem to have no concept of the work-a-day world and work environments.
Euclid Murphy Siding Euclid If they raise the pay high enough, it will attract workers who will be more than satisfied at the start of their career, and still have enough satisfaction to be willing to stay after they have worked long enough to realise how miserable the job is. As I recall, some time back you said that you work as a consultant, as your own boss. That explains why you seem to have no concept of the work-a-day world and work environments. I think it has given me a better understanding of the work-a-day world than most people have. I had some direct employment in the beginning, but then transitioned to product development design work as an independent contractor and also some contract excavating work. All contract work pays more per day than direct employment, but it is also temporary, so it requires constant searching for more work. I love the nature of the work and the contract arrangement allows the work to be the main experience. But contract work still has a boss whether it is an in-house supervisor in a large company or just a small client group who has invented something and wants to put it on the market. Sometimes there are excellent people to work with, but there is no end of difficult people in the world and every company is full of them. Individuals or small groups of people who hire engineers or designers often have no idea what these independent services people do. That is why they hire them as contractors. But having no idea of the work, they always underestimate the time and effort that is needed. So they often think you are not working hard enough. So there is always an urgent need to work fast enough to satisfy their unrealistic expectations. It is also always possible to do a bunch of work and then have the customer drag their feet on paying for it. In the meantime they beat the drum to do more work fast as they promise that when the ship comes in “we will all get paid.” Nothing like this can happen with direct employment.
Congrats.. you effectively work on straight commission.. which in a way is the most honest way to earn a living... you literally always get paid exactly what you're worth. No one pays for your time (which has no value to anyone but you)... no one frets about fairness.. doing the work and getting paid.. it' s all on you. I'm kinda in the same boat.. and wouldn't change it if I could.
jeffhergert Scheduled days off, even if a rotating schedule, I think would go a long way to help retain people. We tried them once on our extra boards and everybody liked them. You may not have had the same days off every week and some cycles you might have week day rest days. Still it gave a chance for planning some events. If we had them (rest days) then the attendence policies might make some sense.
Scheduled days off, even if a rotating schedule, I think would go a long way to help retain people. We tried them once on our extra boards and everybody liked them. You may not have had the same days off every week and some cycles you might have week day rest days. Still it gave a chance for planning some events. If we had them (rest days) then the attendence policies might make some sense.
How long ago did they abolish these rotating schedules? I always had the same thought that they should put operating crews on a rotation so they can at least get days off. I also believe in addition to the 10HR rest period. A 60 min "buffer" after a rest period. Only during this "buffer" time you get a call. Not during your rest period.
My 'read' on this roblem seems to come down to the issue of problems surrounding their employment working condtions for railroaders. The prolems surrounding the necessties of providing manpower for scheduleduled and unscheduled trains. Both on theose trains, and servicing the various 'needs' to get those trains over the road.
With a current national inflation at the reported 19.5%, and somewhat, somewhere, north of possibly, double that, currently(?) Increased wages are also, a real issue in the Craft's negtiations for their union members ?
Some years ago; I witnessed a regular 'meet' of two trains in North Alabama of NS trains. Engine crews from the two stopped trains (one East Bnd and the other West bound would dismount and swap trains. After a brief stop, each crew would then take the train back in the dierection they had originally departed. It seemed to mean that each would be back at their home terminal for what ever time off they had off until their next dispatch(?). It seemed like a good way to keep those train crews 'happy' ?
I witnessed this for a number of months on a daily 'turn' of my own: Arlington,Tn to Decatur, Al.
Time off,and various onerous job duty rerquirements have long been problematic for the railroads. The railroads seem to have always paid pretty well; but their rules and reqired work conditions, always have tended to be more on the maschostic side. Such have made turnover more, and more problematic in the industry? IMHO ?
SD60MAC9500 jeffhergert Scheduled days off, even if a rotating schedule, I think would go a long way to help retain people. We tried them once on our extra boards and everybody liked them. You may not have had the same days off every week and some cycles you might have week day rest days. Still it gave a chance for planning some events. If we had them (rest days) then the attendence policies might make some sense. How long ago did they abolish these rotating schedules? I always had the same thought that they should put operating crews on a rotation so they can at least get days off. I also believe in addition to the 10HR rest period. A 60 min "buffer" after a rest period. Only during this "buffer" time you get a call. Not during your rest period.
HOS as presently implemented - the railroad is not permitted to contact a T&E employee while they are on their 10 hours UNDISTURBED REST. At 10 hours 1 minute they can be contacted, and frequently are. When marking off duty a crew MAY be instructed to go back on duty upon the expiration of their 10 hours UNDISTRUBED REST; this is not frequently done in my experience.
BaltACD SD60MAC9500 jeffhergert Scheduled days off, even if a rotating schedule, I think would go a long way to help retain people. We tried them once on our extra boards and everybody liked them. You may not have had the same days off every week and some cycles you might have week day rest days. Still it gave a chance for planning some events. If we had them (rest days) then the attendence policies might make some sense. How long ago did they abolish these rotating schedules? I always had the same thought that they should put operating crews on a rotation so they can at least get days off. I also believe in addition to the 10HR rest period. A 60 min "buffer" after a rest period. Only during this "buffer" time you get a call. Not during your rest period. HOS as presently implemented - the railroad is not permitted to contact a T&E employee while they are on their 10 hours UNDISTURBED REST. At 10 hours 1 minute they can be contacted, and frequently are. When marking off duty a crew MAY be instructed to go back on duty upon the expiration of their 10 hours UNDISTRUBED REST; this is not frequently done in my experience.
Thanks for the correction. What if a crew doesn't work a full 12HR shift? How does the rest period work then?
SD60MAC9500 BaltACD SD60MAC9500 jeffhergert Scheduled days off, even if a rotating schedule, I think would go a long way to help retain people. We tried them once on our extra boards and everybody liked them. You may not have had the same days off every week and some cycles you might have week day rest days. Still it gave a chance for planning some events. If we had them (rest days) then the attendence policies might make some sense. How long ago did they abolish these rotating schedules? I always had the same thought that they should put operating crews on a rotation so they can at least get days off. I also believe in addition to the 10HR rest period. A 60 min "buffer" after a rest period. Only during this "buffer" time you get a call. Not during your rest period. HOS as presently implemented - the railroad is not permitted to contact a T&E employee while they are on their 10 hours UNDISTURBED REST. At 10 hours 1 minute they can be contacted, and frequently are. When marking off duty a crew MAY be instructed to go back on duty upon the expiration of their 10 hours UNDISTRUBED REST; this is not frequently done in my experience. Thanks for the correction. What if a crew doesn't work a full 12HR shift? How does the rest period work then?
The rest days we had on the extra boards was a pilot project. It was only on being tried out on the former CNW territory. The railroad pulled out because at smaller terminals and those where the extra boards primarily covered yard vacancies, they started paying out guarantee. The pilot project didn't deduct the time off from the gaurantee.
A couple of things we still have from that experiment is that if you are marked off 72hours or more and you mark back up between 1030pm and 759am, you are in a not rested status until 759am. It's not undisturbed rest, they can call you to report at 759am. One other that we had before the law required it was the 10 hours of undisturbed rest. (And they can call you at the 10 hour mark. They don't have to wait for 10 hours and one minute.)
The 10 hours undisturbed is now mandatory in most situations no matter how long your tour of duty lasts. Three hours (like on a dead head) or 12 hours, the rest period is 10 undisturbed. If you're on duty over 12 hours, the amount of time over is added to the 10 hours. For example, on duty for 14 hours and 25 minutes, two hours and 25 minutes are added to the 10 hour rest period.
There are still a few duties, like after taking a rules test, where the off duty period is still 8 hours and a non rested status. Meaning you can be called to report back 8 hours after tying up the rules test. It depends on what kind of service was performed.
Now if they call you while you're in undisturbed rest, say after only 9 hours off, you can have them restart a new 10 hour period because they interupted your rest.
Jeff
A crew CAN be told to report back on duty after a 4 hour 'respite'. This can happen where the runs involved will normally be completed in 6 hours or less. The respite will normally happen at the crew's away from home terminal. If the crew IS NOT instructed to return to duty prior to their marking off duty from the first run they must have 10 hours undisturbed rest before being called for their next duty assignment. The undisturbed rest provisions apply whenever crews mark off duty - no matter if that duty is actively working a train or completing a deadhead. Crews can be deadheaded from their home terminal to go on duty on a particular train upon arrival at their deadhead destination.
Once a crew marks off from their original service they get 10 hours UNDISTURBED REST unless they have been given specific instruction to come back on duty after a respite period.
samfp1943, I believe the current inflation rate is about 9%, not 19.5%.
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