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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, June 23, 2022 8:30 AM

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in a number of cases the components have no desire to 'tune up'.

 

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:57 AM

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Inflation is no just a USA issue - it is a WORLD issue.  The USA alone cannot solve it. 
The USA can solve the inflation problem in the USA.  Other countries can solve theirs.
 
If our Country’s leaders and Federal Reserve make the right decisions about U.S. inflation, it can be brought down to an acceptable normal range, or prevented from rising above that range.  We have total control if we use it. 
 
However, there is a great attraction to not using our control over inflation because the over-spending that produces an over-supply of money is so tempting.  And it is also so easy to fool the public and get away with the money borrowing and spending schemes.  All they have to do is tell us that other countries have inflation problems far worse than ours, and that ours is only transitory.  They may even tell us that inflation is a good sign of a recovering economy, or that the cause of inflation is not borrowing and spending enough money. 
 
In effect, inflation is a mortgage placed on each of us to pay for borrowing in our names, ostensibly to improve our lives.  It is much easier than the messy business of raising taxes to pay for things.  It replaces the old fashioned belief in pay as you go. 

 

The 21st Century world is interconnected in most all facets of human activity.  While Newton wasn't a economist, his laws of motion apply to all things financial.

The USA can tune itself up, to a degree, it cannot tune up the world by itself.  The World's components will have to tune themselves up - in a number of cases the components have no desire to 'tune up'.

 

So what if the world is interconnected?  That does not mean that we cannot fix our problems unless the whole world fixes theirs.  Nobody is asking that we tune up the world, whatever that is supposed to mean.
 
But the U.S. can tune itself enough to prevent or eliminate economic policy disasters like the one we are in now.  Saying we are incapable unless the whole world acts together sounds like excuse making. 
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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:03 AM

Wrong.  Here's an example...a lot of US consumer goods are made in China.  They make up a large part of our economy.  Until China quits it's draconian lockdown rules for covid outbreaks, they are always going to be in short supply and prices are going to be high.  That's just one of many examples. Same with oil prices.  We can't control them by ourselves.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:22 AM

It's pointless to discuss economics with posters like Euclid and Gramps, who are simply pushing an agenda of wrong-headed monetary policy or even politics. 

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, June 23, 2022 12:08 PM

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It's pointless to discuss economics with posters like Euclid and Gramps, who are simply pushing an agenda of wrong-headed monetary policy or even politics. 

I am not pushing any agenda.  What agenda is there to push?  There can’t be an agenda to change course because it is too late to change course.  The deal is done. This is a grand experiment.  We will soon learn the outcome.   And we will learn from that outcome.  
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, June 23, 2022 2:30 PM

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It's pointless to discuss economics with posters like Euclid and Gramps, who are simply pushing an agenda of wrong-headed monetary policy or even politics. 

 

I am not pushing any agenda.  What agenda is there to push?  There can’t be an agenda to change course because it is too late to change course.  The deal is done. This is a grand experiment.  We will soon learn the outcome.   And we will learn from that outcome.  
 

I read that in Eeyore's voice and it made more sense. But, it'll probably rain. 

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, June 23, 2022 3:05 PM

No agenda, but there is a grand experiment?  Welcome to the grand illusion, come on in and see what's happening... (Sorry, Dennis)

 

Can I buy tickets to the final outcome?  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, June 23, 2022 4:01 PM

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Euclid

 

 
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It's pointless to discuss economics with posters like Euclid and Gramps, who are simply pushing an agenda of wrong-headed monetary policy or even politics. 

 

I am not pushing any agenda.  What agenda is there to push?  There can’t be an agenda to change course because it is too late to change course.  The deal is done. This is a grand experiment.  We will soon learn the outcome.   And we will learn from that outcome.  
 

 

 

I read that in Eeyore's voice and it made more sense. But, it'll probably rain. 

 

 

I tried the voice of the Jolly Green Giant.  It works!!

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, June 23, 2022 4:25 PM

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Murphy Siding 
Euclid 
charlie hebdo

It's pointless to discuss economics with posters like Euclid and Gramps, who are simply pushing an agenda of wrong-headed monetary policy or even politics.  

I am not pushing any agenda.  What agenda is there to push?  There can’t be an agenda to change course because it is too late to change course.  The deal is done. This is a grand experiment.  We will soon learn the outcome.   And we will learn from that outcome.   

I read that in Eeyore's voice and it made more sense. But, it'll probably rain.  

I tried the voice of the Jolly Green Giant.  It works!!

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:52 PM

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No agenda, but there is a grand experiment?  Welcome to the grand illusion, come on in and see what's happening... (Sorry, Dennis)

 

Can I buy tickets to the final outcome?  

 

Or maybe to the Final Countdown?

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, June 23, 2022 6:17 PM

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I tried the voice of the Jolly Green Giant.  It works!!

 

 

Ho ho ho!!

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Posted by Gramp on Friday, June 24, 2022 12:42 AM

Agenda...  As Bugs would say, "What a Maroon!"   Just go to the grocery store. Coffee used to be in one, two, and three pound cans. Look at the weights now. Ice cream.  Half gallon. Look now.  Price points matter. I grew up in the grocery business.

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Posted by chutton01 on Friday, June 24, 2022 10:39 AM

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Just go to the grocery store. Coffee used to be in one, two, and three pound cans. Look at the weights now. Ice cream.  Half gallon. Look now.

Shrinkflation strikes again!

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Posted by Euclid on Friday, June 24, 2022 10:13 PM
The grand experiment I refer to is to discover the quantity of inflation that results from a given amount of money over-supply; as well as the amount of recession it will require to rebalance the money supply and end the inflation.  The experiment is a practical test that requires a large enough sample of money over-supply to see a definite correlation.  The grand experiment will even find the truth of weather the way to stop runaway inflation is to increase the over-supply of money, as is sometimes claimed. 
 
The experiment began at the start of 2021 and continues today.  Only with a robust experiment will we find the outer limits of the cause and effect ratio of money oversupply to inflation.  To be robust, we must over-oversupply money to a greater amount than ever before.  So the stage is set as we wait for the results to role in and tally the damage.  So far, inflation is strong and growing stronger.  The truth will emerge as we watch the inflation meter tell the story.   So you could say that the grand experiment is the silver lining of a very nasty cloud of wealth destroying inflation.
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Posted by NKP guy on Saturday, June 25, 2022 8:56 AM

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Have yet to see any print paper offering their subscriptions for OVER $2 a day.

My New York Times daily print subscription is $131 per month, or $4.31 per day.

At least I enjoy reading the NYT.  My local paper (Gannett) has me reduced to reading the obituaries, the editorials, and the comics.  Daily reading time is about 8 or 10 minutes.  The Cleveland and Akron newspapers are better, but all three papers now consist mainly of feature stories; very little old fashioned investigative reporting and news.  I believe very much in a strong newspaper business being good for the entire community.

But at these prices and satisfaction level, this will be the final year for the local paper for me.  

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   As for inflation, I should think all the anti-socialism types in the room would be cheering it on.  I mean, why not?  This inflation is nothing more than the market and market forces at work, all part of capitalism.  Prices may be up, but so are profits and that's reflected in the stock market last week.  So where are the cheers for this effect of capitalism?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, June 25, 2022 10:18 AM

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   As for inflation, I should think all the anti-socialism types in the room would be cheering it on.  I mean, why not?  This inflation is nothing more than the market and market forces at work, all part of capitalism.  Prices may be up, but so are profits and that's reflected in the stock market last week.  So where are the cheers for this effect of capitalism?

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As an aside to the comment above --

 

Here in the U.K. a well known supermarket made £187,000 profit last year ending April.

This year  ending April  the same  supermarket posted a profit of  £2.3 billion.

Then they said because prices were rising they were increasing their prices. 

 

'The way of the world'.

 

 

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Posted by Backshop on Saturday, June 25, 2022 10:21 AM

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, June 25, 2022 6:40 PM

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Here in the U.K. a well known supermarket made £187,000 profit last year ending April. This year  ending April  the same  supermarket posted a profit of  £2.3 billion.

Oh drat!,   and the fundamentalists had JUST convinced me that inflation does not play favorites.  Smile, Wink & Grin 

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, June 25, 2022 6:59 PM

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As for inflation, I should think all the anti-socialism types in the room would be cheering it on.  I mean, why not?  This inflation is nothing more than the market and market forces at work, all part of capitalism.

So inflation doesn't happen in socialist systems?

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Saturday, June 25, 2022 9:49 PM

FWIW, inflation is often better for someone in debt than for someone who has money to lend or invest. It is also useful for governments with progressive income tax rates as the taxpayers are being moved into higher tax brackets.

Where inflation can be bad for someone in debt is when the markets factor inflation into interest rates. That's where investment will start focusing on quick paybacks and avoid investments that take longer to pay back - this is one of the factors in drying up rail investments in the late 60's to 1980 time frame in conjunction with the lack of profits from rail.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:31 PM

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As for inflation, I should think all the anti-socialism types in the room would be cheering it on.  I mean, why not?  This inflation is nothing more than the market and market forces at work, all part of capitalism.

 

So inflation doesn't happen in socialist systems?

 

Not that I favor it but probably not in pure socialism (which has never existed, BTW), since inflation needs a market system, as in capitalism.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, June 26, 2022 6:58 PM

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The grand experiment I refer to is to discover the quantity of inflation that results from a given amount of money over-supply; as well as the amount of recession it will require to rebalance the money supply and end the inflation.  The experiment is a practical test that requires a large enough sample of money over-supply to see a definite correlation.  The grand experiment will even find the truth of weather the way to stop runaway inflation is to increase the over-supply of money, as is sometimes claimed. 
 
The experiment began at the start of 2021 and continues today.  Only with a robust experiment will we find the outer limits of the cause and effect ratio of money oversupply to inflation.  To be robust, we must over-oversupply money to a greater amount than ever before.  So the stage is set as we wait for the results to role in and tally the damage.  So far, inflation is strong and growing stronger.  The truth will emerge as we watch the inflation meter tell the story.   So you could say that the grand experiment is the silver lining of a very nasty cloud of wealth destroying inflation.
 

You make this sound like a diabolical plan by the baddies in the movie Trading Places. In reality, it's probably more like an example of Hanlon's Razor:

Hanlon's razor is an adage that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, June 26, 2022 8:48 PM

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The grand experiment I refer to is to discover the quantity of inflation that results from a given amount of money over-supply; as well as the amount of recession it will require to rebalance the money supply and end the inflation.  The experiment is a practical test that requires a large enough sample of money over-supply to see a definite correlation.  The grand experiment will even find the truth of weather the way to stop runaway inflation is to increase the over-supply of money, as is sometimes claimed. 
 
The experiment began at the start of 2021 and continues today.  Only with a robust experiment will we find the outer limits of the cause and effect ratio of money oversupply to inflation.  To be robust, we must over-oversupply money to a greater amount than ever before.  So the stage is set as we wait for the results to role in and tally the damage.  So far, inflation is strong and growing stronger.  The truth will emerge as we watch the inflation meter tell the story.   So you could say that the grand experiment is the silver lining of a very nasty cloud of wealth destroying inflation. 

You make this sound like a diabolical plan by the baddies in the movie Trading Places. In reality, it's probably more like an example of Hanlon's Razor:

Hanlon's razor is an adage that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

I get the feeling that the entire world is being 'played' by some multi billionaires over a one dollar bet - like the movie "Trading Places". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEaXAsbvHV4

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, June 27, 2022 8:57 PM

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I get the feeling that the entire world is being 'played' by some multi billionaires over a one dollar bet - like the movie "Trading Places". 

Creating chaos so we'll be glad when their "knight in shining armor" appears...  "Have we got a deal for you!"

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