Backshop What does "high IQ" have to do with "college degree"? You're starting to get insulting here and it's a topic that you clearly are not well versed in.
What does "high IQ" have to do with "college degree"? You're starting to get insulting here and it's a topic that you clearly are not well versed in.
Didn't say anything about a college degree.. I specified engineering degree.. I'm simply stating what I was told as the reasoning for such requirements at one time. The airlines were looking for intelligent people with a mechanical aptitude.. candidates who had an engineering degree clearly have both.. sure... lots of other people do as well.. but having the degree demonstrates it. As I stated above, the world has evolved.. such are nolonger the requirements..
Backshop Which says nothing about their ability to fly an airplane. They're flying it, not designing it. Many EU airlines don't require a degree, either. They send their candidates to flying school. Here's how British Airways does it... Learn How To Fly - British Airways announces Cadet Pilot Programme (tobeapilot.co.uk)
Which says nothing about their ability to fly an airplane. They're flying it, not designing it. Many EU airlines don't require a degree, either. They send their candidates to flying school.
Here's how British Airways does it...
Learn How To Fly - British Airways announces Cadet Pilot Programme (tobeapilot.co.uk)
True, and over the decades the world has come around to that way of thinking. But back then, when computers were in their infancy, and a pilot really had to understand not only how to fly the plane but how it and its various systems actually worked, being close to clever enough to design one seemed reasonable. Things are much different today of course.. planes are easier to fly, the instruments are layed out better.. backup systems and everything else is so much better in every way.. a high IQ is nolonger really required to fly today.
Backshop The airlines have been talking crisis for while, mainly in the regional ranks. It's mainly the bottom feeders that don't pay well. Delta just lowered their standards to include not needing a 4 year degree, but they have had that in the past. My brother was an ex-Army CWO2 helicopter pilot who got hired by Northwest. He just had a HS diploma but was grandfathered in and ended up a 320 Captain. There are a lot of careers that people want a degree to "differentiate" the candidates or show "perseverance". It's all BS if the degree doesn't pertain to the occupation. All it shows is that the candidate is probably in massive debt.
The airlines have been talking crisis for while, mainly in the regional ranks. It's mainly the bottom feeders that don't pay well. Delta just lowered their standards to include not needing a 4 year degree, but they have had that in the past. My brother was an ex-Army CWO2 helicopter pilot who got hired by Northwest. He just had a HS diploma but was grandfathered in and ended up a 320 Captain. There are a lot of careers that people want a degree to "differentiate" the candidates or show "perseverance". It's all BS if the degree doesn't pertain to the occupation. All it shows is that the candidate is probably in massive debt.
I asked an Air Canada guy about their education requirements way back in the 70s.. He told me that with an engineering degree in hand they know right out of the gate that you can't be stupid.. and that's true.. I know many engineers and all of them have their flaws like we all do.. but none are stupid.. Perhaps that's why they had that stipulation.. smart and mechanically inclined...
cx500 Hey folks, it is simply capitalism at work. What the companies are willing to pay, in salary, benefits and/or work-life balance, is not matching the customer's interest in "buying". In this case the customer is the potential employee, and (s)he is simply choosing to go elsewhere. John
Hey folks, it is simply capitalism at work. What the companies are willing to pay, in salary, benefits and/or work-life balance, is not matching the customer's interest in "buying". In this case the customer is the potential employee, and (s)he is simply choosing to go elsewhere.
John
Would be nice to know where that "elsewhere" is.. A massive resignation in one industry would likely result in lots of candidates available in the "elsewhere" industry , and if they're experiencing a surge in applications its been a well kept secret so far. Or maybe people are simply staying home and watching football..
Resigned and retired. The baby boomers are leaving the work force en masse... some earlier than planned due to covid. I applied for railroad work back in the early 80s with no luck.. now I'm pretty much set for life doing something else and too old to hire anyway.. oh well.. maybe in the next life..
It is that way everywhere because so many people have resigned. I know someone that went to work at Garmin and one of their perks is intro to pilot training. I can easily get a $30-40 kick up in pay but it would cost me the pension, so not worth it to me. I plan on retiring in 6 years and possibly starting or buying another business on or before that date. Who knows might try my hand at railroading in real life. :)
One item that never ceases to amaze me is the sheer amount of 20-30 year olds that resign just a few months shy of their 5 year vest in pension and leave the almost $20k pension payment with the employer. If they just stuck around a few more months they could have the new job and the $20k payout on top. What a waste of money.
All sectors of the transportation industry seem to be very short staffed.. the airlines are facing a crisis for lack of qualified pilots, and there's discussion about lowering the educational requirements for new hires. And the railroads are recruiting all over the place as well.. no experience required.. "we will train". Trucking.. one would never guess that autonomous trucks are around the corner.. everyone is in desperate need of drivers.. And of course, most of the trades are desperately short staffed as well and have been for quite some time.
What a turn around this has been. When I got started in transportation it was simply a matter of referring to "the list of applicants".. many more applicants than jobs available, even for truck drivers. We had no recruiting departments back then.. Employers could be picky... pilots needed engineering degrees.. drivers needed HS.. railroads needed perfect vision, and some, like B&O had minimum and maximum height requirements even..
Never a better time to be looking for a job..
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