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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:26 PM
 

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Actually SPRINT purchased T-Mobile and then immediately changed its name to T-Mobile, but all T-Mobile's management is in charge of the combined company.

And now T-Mobile is implementing Precision Scheduled Reception so your text and emails only come in to your phone in longer but less frequent groupings.

They are also implementing extended sidings of fiber lines so that data packets going in opposite directions can get to their destination with less conflicts. They had been working on laying double fiber lined but were able to determine it was less capital-intensive to lay longer and more closely-spaced fiber sidings. This resulted in more cash being available to return to shareholders.

T-Mobile also refurbished the largest analog telephone switch box that they used in their networkbefore the digital resolution and they are taking it on a tour of cities on the T-Mobile network and displaying it so people can see it up close, feel the heat coming off of it as it operates, and see the analog switches moving back and forth on the unit. T-Mobile is not forgetting their heritage.

 

They are also end dating the LG Stylo5 I got from Sprint two years ago.  It needs to be traded to something 5G before the end of the year.

 

Verizon's LTE service has been pretty crappy as of late with their adoption of 5G. I'm in the same boat. I'll need a 5G capable phone before the end of the year..

 
 
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, August 1, 2021 12:59 PM

Change the size and capacity of cars ?  SOU RR's Big John grain car fight with the ICC completely changed the capacities of cars.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, August 1, 2021 9:06 AM

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Not only is SP a fallen flag so is Sprint.  T-Mobile bought them last year.

Well, so much for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Sprint.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, August 1, 2021 12:08 AM

kgbw49
Actually SPRINT purchased T-Mobile and then immediately changed its name to T-Mobile, but all T-Mobile's management is in charge of the combined company.

And now T-Mobile is implementing Precision Scheduled Reception so your text and emails only come in to your phone in longer but less frequent groupings.

They are also implementing extended sidings of fiber lines so that data packets going in opposite directions can get to their destination with less conflicts. They had been working on laying double fiber lined but were able to determine it was less capital-intensive to lay longer and more closely-spaced fiber sidings. This resulted in more cash being available to return to shareholders.

T-Mobile also refurbished the largest analog telephone switch box that they used in their networkbefore the digital resolution and they are taking it on a tour of cities on the T-Mobile network and displaying it so people can see it up close, feel the heat coming off of it as it operates, and see the analog switches moving back and forth on the unit. T-Mobile is not forgetting their heritage.

They are also end dating the LG Stylo5 I got from Sprint two years ago.  It needs to be traded to something 5G before the end of the year.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, July 31, 2021 11:16 PM

Actually SPRINT purchased T-Mobile and then immediately changed its name to T-Mobile, but all T-Mobile's management is in charge of the combined company.

And now T-Mobile is implementing Precision Scheduled Reception so your text and emails only come in to your phone in longer but less frequent groupings.

They are also implementing extended sidings of fiber lines so that data packets going in opposite directions can get to their destination with less conflicts. They had been working on laying double fiber lines but were able to determine it was less capital-intensive to lay longer and more closely-spaced fiber sidings. This resulted in more cash being available to return to shareholders.

T-Mobile also refurbished the largest analog telephone switch box that they used in their network before the digital revolution. They are taking it on a tour of cities on the T-Mobile network and displaying it so people can see it up close, feel the heat coming off of it as it operates, and see the analog switches moving back and forth on the unit. They call it the Big Boy. T-Mobile is not forgetting their heritage.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:38 PM

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Just for general infprmation: 1972  Southern Pacific [Corp] Communiocations began divesting/ selling excess (or surplus) communicatons capacity. On its microwave and fiber optic telecom system (laid along their railroad rights of way) to corporations for use as private lines.  This became the telecom corp known by its former railroad's designation of SPRINT...Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Networking Telephony...Whistling 

Yes! Can't forget about SPRINT. See the Espee was ahead of it's time Smile

Not only is SP a fallen flag so is Sprint.  T-Mobile bought them last year.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:12 PM
 

samfp1943

Just for general infprmation: 1972  Southern Pacific [Corp] Communiocations began divesting/ selling excess (or surplus) communicatons capacity. On its microwave and fiber optic telecom system (laid along their railroad rights of way) to corporations for use as private lines.  This became the telecom corp known by its former railroad's designation of SPRINT...Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Networking Telephony...Whistling

 

Yes! Can't forget about SPRINT. See the Espee was ahead of it's time Smile

 
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Posted by diningcar on Saturday, July 31, 2021 11:19 AM

Santa Fe Railway, the opener of the southwestern United States, is my favorite. Their perception to optimize the indigenous culture of that region into their advertising and calendars, painted by famous artists, lasts yet to this day. 

They also built the El Tovar on the Grand Canyon rim and promoted the still renouned Fred Harvey food, hotels and restaurants. Their part time employee, along with Fred Harvey, Mary Elizabeth Jane Coulter, designed and supervised building of the Watch Tower located toward the eastern end of the Grand Canyon. 

Their Super Chief was the favorite of Hollywood stars prior to airplanes, and also for business executives. Their Mimbreno china, designed by Mary Coulter, was created exclusively for the Super Chief and remains a very active collectable. 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Friday, July 30, 2021 10:57 PM

Just for general infprmation: 1972  Southern Pacific [Corp] Communiocations began divesting/ selling excess (or surplus) communicatons capacity. On its microwave and fiber optic telecom system (laid along their railroad rights of way) to corporations for use as private lines.  This became the telecom corp known by its former railroad's designation of SPRINT...Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Networking Telephony...Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, July 30, 2021 9:28 PM

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Rock Island is my favorite.  The first to bridge the Mississippi.  After a steamboat was deliberetly crashed into it, hired an Illinois attorney to defend the right to bridge the river.  Abraham Lincoln. 

And Lincoln never  lost his interest in railroads. 

I can't help but wonder if during the dark days of the Civil War Lincoln banged his head on his desk and wondered why the hell he didn't stay in Illinois handling railroad cases.   

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Posted by jeffhergert on Friday, July 30, 2021 7:05 PM

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If the definition of "fallen flag" is that the name has disappeared, then one could argue that in the Class I category, only two railroads are not fallen flags in the US - Union Pacific, and Kansas City Southern (so far).

When the final amalgamation of the corporate structure was completed, the Southern Pacific survived.  They promptly changed the name of the corporation to Union Pacific.  So in a way, UP became a fallen flag and then was immediately resurrected.

Soo Line still exists on paper and Illinois Central still is listed on the Railroad Retirement Board jobs board.  Clicking on it of course takes one to CN.  So maybe it's not that their flags have fallen, they were just tucked away in the closet down in the basement. 

 

 Rock Island was pretty well cut up and parceled out.

Most of the surviving main lines (biggest exception is the Chicago - Denver route) have ended up in the UP.  Acquired mainly through the UP acquiring the CNW, SP, and MKT.

Rock Island is my favorite.  The first to bridge the Mississippi.  After a steamboat was deliberetly crashed into it, hired an Illinois attorney to defend the right to bridge the river.  Abraham Lincoln. 

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Friday, July 30, 2021 9:22 AM

Not an innovation,  but quirky, was the C&NW with left-hand running. 

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:54 PM

BaltACD

 The US ramped up from isolation - not my problem stance - to becoming a full participant to announcement of the Armistance in 11 months.   

And 4 to 5 years later, the US was essentially dictating the terms of the Washington Naval treaty - using the stick of carrying on with the war time levels of capital ship production.

Another crash program was the construction of railway guns using 14 inch naval rifles whih manage to get about two months of use.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, July 29, 2021 6:48 PM

rixflix, two that didn't last long but not because of not trying:

New York Central early containerized freight

Southern Pacific "Overnight" Freights - LA-San Francisco pairs and LA-Phoenix pairs. Not quite Fed Ex but a precursor of it with the technology available at the time.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, July 29, 2021 6:22 PM

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Performance in WW1?  No so good, the co-ordination was shoddy, hence the formation of the USRA.  How good that organization was is debated to this day, so I won't get into it.

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Remember WW 1 was a 'foreign war' that the US had no interest in getting involved in until the sinking of the SS Aztec on April 1, 1917 and the resolution of War that was passed by Congress on April 6, 1917.  The military draft got implemented May 18, 2017.  In December 2017 the USRA created with a effective date of Dec. 28, 2017.  November 11, 2018 the Armistice is agreed to.  June 28, 1919 Germany forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles - the US refuses to sign.  The USRA authority ceased a some time in 1920, thus it existed for slightly over two years.

The US ramped up from isolation - not my problem stance - to becoming a full participant to announcement of the Armistance in 11 months.   

I feature there was whole lot of disorganization in the USA War effort than just the railroads.  Trying to harness the means of production sourcing raw materials, handing finished products and moving military manpower to training camps and thence to sea going vessels to go 'Over There'.  With all levels of port congestion that was a part of early 20th Century shipping.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:40 PM

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U.S. Military Railroad in the Civil War? All railroads for their WW1/WW2 performance?

The USMRR in the Civil War?  Superb organization!  And God help anyone who attempted to throw his weight around and interfere with it, Abe Lincoln himself saw to that.

Performance in WW1?  No so good, the co-ordination was shoddy, hence the formation of the USRA.  How good that organization was is debated to this day, so I won't get into it.

Performance in WW2?  Great!  I don't see how it could have been humanly possible to do better!  In fact, find yourself a copy of Don Ball's and Rogers Whittaker's "Decade Of The Trains" for the best telling of the story, you won't be sorry!

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Posted by rixflix on Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:22 PM

If you'll recall, the OP wanted to look at RR's innovative greatness and not their personal appeal. The first two I thought of were B&O for being an industry and Conrail for turning a disaster into a profitable road.

U.S. Military Railroad in the Civil War? All railroads for their WW1/WW2 performance?

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, July 29, 2021 4:27 PM

I like them all, but three that stand out as my favorites:

Penn Central: 

Erie Lackawanna

Lehigh Valley

 

 

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Posted by NP Eddie on Thursday, July 29, 2021 4:07 PM

The Northern Pacific as I am an NP veteran. I was a NP clerk 3-11PM and finished as BN clerk as of M-day.

Also, the B&O was the first. Atta Boy to Balt.

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, July 29, 2021 4:05 PM

If we are going to mention European railroads, I mean railways, I nominate the Deutsch Bundesbahn. It is the basis for my N scale layout, set in the year 1968 or so with steam, early diesel and electrics. And lots of vintage cars.  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, July 29, 2021 12:58 PM

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B&O - created the industry.

 

 

 

On the other hand, I'm not sure you can give it that claim.  It wasn't the first railroad chartered, to start construction, or to turn a wheel.  It was the first common carrier, but the industry had already conceptually formed by that time.  And that's without looking across the Atlantic at the example the British had already laid out: the S&DR was running a 25 mile system before the B&O was chartered.

 

I can see Balt's point, he just should have been a little  more specific.

The B&O is  considered the "Mother of American Railroads" by most.  Certainly the Brits were ahead of us in that respect. 

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Posted by NittanyLion on Thursday, July 29, 2021 12:30 PM

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B&O - created the industry.

 

On the other hand, I'm not sure you can give it that claim.  It wasn't the first railroad chartered, to start construction, or to turn a wheel.  It was the first common carrier, but the industry had already conceptually formed by that time.  And that's without looking across the Atlantic at the example the British had already laid out: the S&DR was running a 25 mile system before the B&O was chartered.

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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Thursday, July 29, 2021 11:36 AM

1) SOU

2) L&N

3) Clinchfield

4) GA/A&WP/WofA, but only because I worked for them!

Still in training.


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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, July 29, 2021 10:15 AM

The railroad I grew up with was the Minneapolis Northfield and Southern Ry. They started out in the early 1900s as the Dan Patch Electric Line. The railroad was supposed to use overhead electric power wire, but didn't have the money to lay track, buy equipment, and hang wire. Instead they bought some boxcab electric locomotives with oil-electric generators installed, so they could make their own electric power to run the traction motors. This is often referenced as the first 'diesel' type locomotives to be used anywhere...at least a huge step that lead to diesel-electrics.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:48 AM

I'm a fan of the Milwaukee Road. It ran near my house. The nearest named spot on the line was Murphy Siding.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, July 29, 2021 8:58 AM

If the definition of "fallen flag" is that the name has disappeared, then one could argue that in the Class I category, only two railroads are not fallen flags in the US - Union Pacific, and Kansas City Southern (so far).

If the definition of "fallen flag" is that the company failed and the track parceled out to various others or abandoned, then that would be a different calculation.

For example, Burlington, Santa Fe, Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Frisco, and Spokane, Portland & Seattle are largely intact within BNSF.

The same goes for Southern Pacific, Chicago & Northwestern, and Missouri Pacific within UP.

B&O, C&O and Atlantic Coast Line are largely intact within CSX. One could argue the B&O is still "the backbone" of the northern part of CSX, for example.

Southern, Norfolk & Western and Wabash are largely intact within NS.

The New Haven was pretty much carved up and parceled out. The Erie and Milwaukee Road had an awful lot of abandonment. Rock Island was pretty well cut up and parceled out.

Lots of great roads with great trains, and great locomotives, especially in the steam era. One could argue that Erie with their Berkshires were the first to put the term "fast" in fast freight. Rock Island had the largest fleet of 4-8-4 Northerns in the county as they tried to compete. Milwaukee had the Hiawathas and their Midwest racers in their 4-4-2 and 4-6-4 locomotives built those trains.

All good stuff!

9500, thanks for introducing this topic!

 

 

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Posted by northeaster on Thursday, July 29, 2021 8:40 AM

Growing up with the 4 track main line of the mighty NYNH&H RR it became my idea of what a railroad was supposed to be. All manner of commuter equipment including one morning when I was commuting to high school aboard an open vestibule antique which was apparently thrown into service when all else had failed. In the WWII years and immediately after, the amount of freight traffic was colossial and they even had a few round tailed stainless steel beauties for the Merchant's Limited running from NYC/Boston. NYNH&H also owned a truck line and bus line until they divested them. The construction of the New England Thruway Rt. 95 killed the NH along with the utterly complete departure of industry in New England.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Thursday, July 29, 2021 8:39 AM

I personally grew up on the Frisco territory near St Louis had a line that ran through my town.  However I will agree with my hubby about the Santa Fe for being a great Fallen Flag along with Conrail.  Think about Conrail they where basically told rebuild the entire northeastern section of the US railroad network and did what was considered impossible by forcing the government admit failure of regulations.  Hence why we got the Staggers bill.  

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 10:32 PM

C&O, because it ran through Milford, where I grew up.  I was born about three years too late to have seen Pere Marquette (well, more than that if I was going to actually remember it).  It is fascinating to thing that 1225 may have run through Milford at one time.

NYC, because I'm in NYC territory now. 

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Posted by SALfan1 on Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:52 PM

Seaboard Air Line, because it was the closest major RR to where I grew up (not that I saw it a lot while growing up) and the city where I live now was on the Seaboard.  They had to live by their wits between the larger, stronger and double-tracked Southern and Atlantic Coast Line.

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