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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:17 AM

Whoops!  Didn't mean to turn this into a Corvette discussion!

I don't own a Corvette and don't plan on owning one.  MY dream car is a 1939 Lincoln Zephyr V-12!  Just the idea of that 12-cylinder mill under the hood...

Either that or a Sherman tank.  Or a Renault FT-17.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:58 AM

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Yes, some police might look at a red Corvette or any other red sports car that is parked and give it a ticket for going too fast.

 

Most Corvettes I see are driven by old guys going slow. 

*shrugs*

Although the newest generation is pretty awesome looking.  I was never a huge Corvette fan, so that's saying something (always liked the Viper instead).

 

     One of my old bosses was a Ferrari man. He bought one every year and had a collection. Red was most common but there were some yellow and some purple. He didn’t drive slowly. Well into his 80’s he was a hell raiser in his Ferraris. When he would get pulled over by a cop, he would turn into a mild mannered 88 year old man. That was usually enough to make the police officer question what he had seen and let him off with a verbal warning.

 

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:08 AM

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Yes, some police might look at a red Corvette or any other red sports car that is parked and give it a ticket for going too fast.

Most Corvettes I see are driven by old guys going slow. 

*shrugs*

Although the newest generation is pretty awesome looking.  I was never a huge Corvette fan, so that's saying something (always liked the Viper instead).

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, December 21, 2017 3:19 AM

Deggesty

Yes, some police might look at a red Corvette or any other red sports car that is parked and give it a ticket for going too fast.

Hey - That's my line!

As I recall, there was a television commercial that used exactly that "plot."

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:21 AM

A co-worker and I were sent to a company site in a nearby town.  We took turns driving there in our cars.  When I drove (in my gold Nissan Pulsar) I kept to the (then) 55 MPH Interstate Speed Limit and it took us about 20 minutes to get there.  When he drove (in his RED Firebird) it took us nearly 35 minutes, IF a State Trooper did NOT pull us over for "suspicion of speeding".  "You can go with just this verbal warning this time, but keep your speed below the speed limit!"

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:51 PM

Yes, some police might look at a red Corvette or any other red sports car that is parked and give it a ticket for going too fast.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:32 PM

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No red...it attracts cops and tickets.

    One of my co-workers many years ago had a red corvette.   He loved it, but everyone agreed that he drove like a "little old lady."   He was always accumulating tickets.   When he drove through many small towns, he'd look in the mirror and see the local sheriff following him.   Once, he was ticketed for driving "too fast for conditions" even though he was going 5 MPH below the speed limit on an open road on a clear day.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:58 PM

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Talk about assumptions, remember that TV series "Route 66?"  Everyone assumed Todd Stiles' Corvette was red, but the two 'Vettes used in the course of the series were  "Sky Blue"  and "Fawn Beige."

A black and white series, so who knew?

Surprised me when I heard that, I thought all Corvettes were supposed to be red!

Ferrari's are supposed to be RED.

Corvettes can be any color, the originals in 1954 where white with red upholstery.

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 5:19 PM

Nope...I have 2, a '73 white and an '82 steel grey...original paint ...the '73 is a seat attached to a warp drive...the '82 is 100% gutless, but the crossfire design makes it sound likes it going to the moon. 

I have had both for a very long time now, plus a '69 Chevy Malibu convertable, originally a 307 but now a 327...had that since before my daughters were born and the oldest is now 43! We call it our beach car. I have looked after them all. 

No red...it attracts cops and tickets. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 5:08 PM

tree68
 
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For example, it was discovered in the days of black and white TV that under studio lighting, pale green actually looked whiter than white - pure white tended to look light gray.

 

Blue was a color choice for men's shirts for B&W TV.  Or maybe that was early color TV...

Those old enough to remember the show "Car 54, Where Are You?" may recall the trivia regarding the patrol car Toodie and Muldoon drove.  While NYC police cars were in reality green and white, the show car was red and white, so it wouldn't be confused with the real thing.  On B&W TV, they looked the same.

 

Reminds me...

Ever see that movie "Is Paris Burning?"  When it was filmed in Paris in the 60's the Nazi flags used were grey, white, and black, the grey substituting for the red.  It was feared Parisians would riot if they saw the real thing, and since the movie was filmed in black and white it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

Talk about assumptions, remember that TV series "Route 66?"  Everyone assumed Todd Stiles' Corvette was red, but the two 'Vettes used in the course of the series were  "Sky Blue"  and "Fawn Beige."

A black and white series, so who knew?

Surprised me when I heard that, I thought all Corvettes were supposed to be red!

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Posted by kenny dorham on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:15 AM

Here's a question, I have heard that many years ago, something would be "Japanned," like the hood of a Model T Ford was Japanned in the example I've heard. What does that mean?

------- As i recall, it only got a brief mention in my Apprentice Book. The Wiki Link above explains it pretty well.

We were basically told it was, simply, a step in the evolutionary process of paint manufacture. Wit the advent of modern lacquers and Synthetic/Acrylic Enamels, Etc etc, the need for "Jappening" died a natural death

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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:56 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanning

Japanning is most often a heavy black "lacquer", almost like enamel paint. Black is common and japanning is often assumed to be synonymous with black japanning. The European technique uses varnishes that have a resin base, similar to shellac, applied in heat-dried layers which are then polished, to give a smooth glossy finish. It can also come in reds, greens and blues.

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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:11 AM

Here's a question, I have heard that many years ago, something would be "Japanned," like the hood of a Model T Ford was Japanned in the example I've heard. What does that mean? 

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:04 AM

"Silver" bridges are actually aluminum.  The 1970's MP standard was Rustoleum Aluminum paint.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:17 PM

wjstix
For example, it was discovered in the days of black and white TV that under studio lighting, pale green actually looked whiter than white - pure white tended to look light gray.

Blue was a color choice for men's shirts for B&W TV.  Or maybe that was early color TV...

Those old enough to remember the show "Car 54, Where Are You?" may recall the trivia regarding the patrol car Toodie and Muldoon drove.  While NYC police cars were in reality green and white, the show car was red and white, so it wouldn't be confused with the real thing.  On B&W TV, they looked the same.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:19 PM

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Firelock76

Fascinating the direction this is going. Maybe we'll discover the secret of "Brunswick Green?"

Maybe it was more than "...two parts black, one part green..." 

Well, maybe that's two parts black, one part black and one part yellow. Now which black to use depends, I guess, on what the meaning of 'is' is. Clown

 

Always featured it was 10 gallons of black mixed with 10 ml. of yellow.

 

Well there's yer problem... mixing English with Metric!

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:35 PM

..and is there a difference between Brunswick Green and DGLE*?  The world may never know.

 

* - Dark Green Locomotive Enamel

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:25 PM

Brunswick Green is locked in a vault along with KFC secret recipe, the  Coca-Cola formulae and the last stages of making BabyBels. We can guess, we can come close but we cannot get the authentic!

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:19 PM

Murphy Siding
 
Firelock76

Fascinating the direction this is going. Maybe we'll discover the secret of "Brunswick Green?"

Maybe it was more than "...two parts black, one part green..." 

Well, maybe that's two parts black, one part black and one part yellow. Now which black to use depends, I guess, on what the meaning of 'is' is. Clown

Always featured it was 10 gallons of black mixed with 10 ml. of yellow.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:02 PM

Firelock76

Fascinating the direction this is going. Maybe we'll discover the secret of "Brunswick Green?"

Maybe it was more than "...two parts black, one part green..."

 

Well, maybe that's two parts black, one part black and one part yellow.  Clown

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:35 PM

Firelock76

Maybe it was more than "...FIFTY parts black, one part green..."

Fixed it for you.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:04 PM

Fascinating the direction this is going. Maybe we'll discover the secret of "Brunswick Green?"

Maybe it was more than "...two parts black, one part green..."

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Posted by kenny dorham on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:21 PM
I realize Colors and Descriptives can be quite subjective, but.......Let me put it this way. Most people would think that a little Black into White makes a light "gray". I would bet that most people would be shocked if they compared the gray tone of a little Raw Umber Vs. a little Lamp Black into white. Lamp Black, at least to a painters eye, goes "Very" Blue.
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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:24 PM

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Not sure if it applies to day, but......when we needed a "Real Black", we had to order Drop Black or Mars Black. As i said earlier, Lamp Black is Very Blue.

When used as a pigment, lampblack can have a bluish tone, although I certainly wouldn't say 'very blue'.  This appears to be an artifact of how the physical pigment material was made, as pure carbon lampblack is a reference blackbody material.

Ironic, perhaps, that magnetite (the material Mars Black is made from) is what produces true gun blue.

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Posted by Euclid on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:57 AM

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If you mix black and yellow and get green, then your “black” was not black.

 

Don't care what you say, pick any black paint you want and mix it with yellow, you will get an olive green.  Try it.  The formula used in the 1800's mixed "lamp black" (which is NOT blue) and mixes it with yellow to get a green. You can argue all you want that its dark yellow, but if you show a swatch to 100 people on the street they will tell you its green.

 
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If you mix true black with yellow, you get a lighter yellow.

 

Nope, you get a darker color.  If you mix white with a color you get a lighter color.   

 

  Yes I mis-stated the effect of mixing yellow and true black. It results in a darker yellow. 

However, my point about not getting green from mixing black with yellow is accurate with true black.  Whereas your choice of "any black paint you want" is likely to be a black paint that is a mix of colors and not "true" black. 

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Posted by kenny dorham on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:36 AM

Not sure if it applies to day, but......when we needed a "Real Black", we had to order Drop Black or Mars Black.

As i said earlier, Lamp Black is Very Blue. So it follows that if mixed with "Yellow", it would give you a Dark/Dirty Green. Of course, that all depends on the yellow. Is it going Blue or going Red.

It is very hard (expensive) to get components, into paint, that reflect the true colors of The Rainbow. "Nobody" grinds color anymore. A lot of Dark/Bright Color house paint is damn near colored varnish, or at best, a Neutral Base that the squeeze colors can hit real hard.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:21 AM

Duck,duck,goose.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:31 AM

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For example, it was discovered in the days of black and white TV that under studio lighting, pale green actually looked whiter than white - pure white tended to look light gray.

Not to mention that (due to characteristics of nitrate emulsion) the makeup used for 'white' faces in early silent films was actually yellow.

I think Euclid has fallen foul of a couple of fallacies: first, that actual pigments represent positions on a color wheel, particularly 'true black' as an intersection of CMY (which of course is why there's K in that system, but I digress), and second, that the old tale about 'putting a few drops of black in white to make it seem whiter' applies to other colors.  Homeopathic colorimetry is little better science than phrenology, at least in my opinion.

The interesting thing about this, to me, is that I'd have thought lampblack would be just about as good a common absorber across the visual spectrum as anything (someone please find and provide an actual absorption spectrum for it, please; I don't have the patience), so the olive would be a characteristic of the yellow pigment used as the black component absorbed more and more of the broad-spectrum light.  Or there is preferential absorption of other wavelengths with re-emission in the range producing composite 'olive'.  See this article for some further ideas.

More to it than grade school principles, that's for sure!

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:25 AM

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or real? We were taught that mixing the primary colors of blue and yellow gave us green.

Why do you think "Pullman Green" is a dark olive green?  Its because that's a stable color made from two stable, cheap pigments. Same with olive drab.  Very cheap, stable pigments.  Blue pigments tend to be expensive and tend to fade easily.  Carbon black doesn't hardly fade.

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:17 AM

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If you mix black and yellow and get green, then your “black” was not black.

Don't care what you say, pick any black paint you want and mix it with yellow, you will get an olive green.  Try it.  The formula used in the 1800's mixed "lamp black" (which is NOT blue) and mixes it with yellow to get a green. You can argue all you want that its dark yellow, but if you show a swatch to 100 people on the street they will tell you its green.

Euclid
If you mix true black with yellow, you get a lighter yellow.

Nope, you get a darker color.  If you mix white with a color you get a lighter color.   

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