ChessieCat123Geeze for railfans I would think we would be all gung ho for this.
Not on the Trains forums. Most (not all) posters are very critical of or totally opposed to HSR for a variety of reasons, such as: too expensive, not needed, the US doesn't need to copy what other nations have done, all we need are nostalgia trains as in the 1950s, or Amercans prefer cars.
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It's pretty hard to explore the California HSR project without dragging some of the politics into it, much more difficult than, say, the PTC deadline discussion, which has been crawling with political references.
It's reasonably objective to say that HSR is Gov. Brown's pet project. Offhand, I doubt than any halfway-alert adult here I know would dispute that, regardless of poitical leaning. And regardless of one's opinion of him or the plan, if the L. A. Times is coming down hard on it, it's probably in trouble.
Norm: Is it necessary to drag Gov. Brown into the discussion? Politics are AFAIK, strengst verboten!
diningcar The LA Times, after reviewing project documents, says"The deadline and budget targets will almost cerainly be missed"and state officials have "underestimated the challenges ahead". Current best projection for completion of Phase I is 2030 missing the original 2022. Project-management firm Parsons Brinckerhoff said in a secret 2013 report which the Times obtained, that it saw cost overruns "in almost every phase of the project". The state hasn't figured out how to finance the current costs, much less the overruns. All of this was projected by several at this site a few years ago.
The LA Times, after reviewing project documents, says"The deadline and budget targets will almost cerainly be missed"and state officials have "underestimated the challenges ahead". Current best projection for completion of Phase I is 2030 missing the original 2022.
Project-management firm Parsons Brinckerhoff said in a secret 2013 report which the Times obtained, that it saw cost overruns "in almost every phase of the project".
The state hasn't figured out how to finance the current costs, much less the overruns. All of this was projected by several at this site a few years ago.
These problems aren't really news to a lot of us skeptics here in la-la land. What raised my eyebrows was learning these harsh criticisms were in a long and thorough critique published in the usually Jerry Brown-friendly Los Angeles Times. It's not the first left-leaning publication to question the project, but it has a lot more clout than Mother Jones magazine. This could be a sign that the whole scheme is in deeper trouble. Stay tuned.
Norm48327Oh, and if you want intelligent discourse tyr sloshing oil.
DSchmitt California Highspeed Rail solgan: Carrying nobody between noplace and nowhere at exorbitant cost.
California Highspeed Rail solgan:
Carrying nobody between noplace and nowhere at exorbitant cost.
While we have no plans to secure sufficient water for the people.
Norm
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
Were you expecting me to congratulate him?
Oh, and if you want intelligent discourse tyr sloshing oil.
Norm48327 Governor Moonbeam let costs get out of control? Whoda thunk? Unfortunately, I guess this is what passes for intelligent discourse in your part of the country.
Governor Moonbeam let costs get out of control?
Whoda thunk?
Unfortunately, I guess this is what passes for intelligent discourse in your part of the country.
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