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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:46 PM

Wizlish

NDG, I think you meant to post this one

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/train-derailment-hochelaga-investigation-1.3296534

but it is best read after the 'original' story anyway.

 
So,what kind of derail ?  Another person releasing brakes ? Why no split rail derail ?  Missing brake parts ?  Maybe canibalized / stolen for other cars ?
 
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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:10 AM

I think I may have mentioned this before, but Charles W. Westover (a.k.a. Del Shannon) was my second-cousin once removed.  I grew up realizing that he had hailed from Coopersville, Michigan (about 15 miles from home), but didn't know we were related until about 12 years ago.  I believe his grandfather was my dad's grandfather on his mother's side.

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Posted by Wizlish on Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:54 AM

NDG, I think you meant to post this one

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/train-derailment-hochelaga-investigation-1.3296534

but it is best read after the 'original' story anyway.

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:36 AM
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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, August 1, 2015 6:03 PM

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What a faithful servant steam is and was.  That 0-6-0 took the hit so the station and anyone inside it wouldn't.

The Suzy-Q just hasn't been the same since Walter Rich died, that's for certain.

 

My apologies to any Susy-Q personnel who read this.  I just read in another posting it was a 13 year old fooling around on the railcar that caused the runaway.

Again, sincere apologies.

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:41 AM
It seems to me that there is a larger problem here than the kid who released the brake.  The larger problem is the predictability of dire consequences that would result from such a release.  You have cars parked on a grade leading right to a station occupied by people, and the only thing preventing a car from running away and into the station is a hand brake on that car which is accessible to anybody. 
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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:30 PM

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tree68

Seems the person is now known:

 

http://www.localsyr.com/story/d/story/13-year-old-tells-police-he-accidentally-released/14210/2vywCALGF0O5HJr9JUGoIw

Be a long time until he receives a cash allowance again - restitution can be a female dog!

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Posted by The Butler on Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:09 PM

tree68
There is published speculation that the brakes were released by persons unknown.

Seems the person is now known:

http://www.localsyr.com/story/d/story/13-year-old-tells-police-he-accidentally-released/14210/2vywCALGF0O5HJr9JUGoIw

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:46 PM

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Does the closure of the ped bridge impact the Adirondack Scenic?  Can Utica passengers still get to it?

No more or less than it impacts Amtrak.  There is a utility crossing west of the towers (N 43 6' 17" W 75 13' 24"), sometimes used by Amtrak for baggage.  Under a watchful eye, passengers would be able to use it.  

The biggest problem at this point (and I think they've dealt with it) is getting from the track 2 platform west of the tower, around the runaway and steamer, and into the station.  A fence and some shrubbery stood in the way.  There are pictures showing station personnel herding the passengers across the stub the runaway "arrived" on.

The dispatchers could theoretically bring all Amtrak trains in on Track 2 (nearest the station), but that will involve a lot of jockeying along the line.  I haven't heard if they're doing that - it's very possible.

The Scenic only has to worry about 4 to 6 "windows" - departures of the regular Thursday and Saturday trips, as well as the evening trips every couple of weeks, and those train's returns.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:49 PM

Does the closure of the ped bridge impact the Adirondack Scenic?  Can Utica passengers still get to it?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:05 PM

What a faithful servant steam is and was.  That 0-6-0 took the hit so the station and anyone inside it wouldn't.

The Suzy-Q just hasn't been the same since Walter Rich died, that's for certain.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:37 PM

ACY

Very concerned about this one.  It might be very costly. The tender may have a bent frame;  the tank seems to be dislodged.  The pilot beam appears to have sustained very heavy damage, possibly extending to the cylinder saddle.   No quick fixes there.   I hope somebody had a LOT of insurance.

Tom

The locomotive is reportedly the only NYC steam locomotive left in New York State.  That said, it was not operational.  Any and all repairs will likely be cosmetic in nature.

Of greater concern for the moment is the damage to the structure.  It could probably be argued that the locomotive reduced the damage, as it soaked up some of the momentum, and there were bumpers both before and behind it.

The bridge spans the CSX Chicago Line.  Taking it down would have bound up a lot of traffic, including Amtrak.   I'm sure they've reduced speed there substantially until the structural integrity of the bridge can be determined.

The car apparently started rolling about here: N 43 5' 29" W 75 16' 2" and, of course, ended up here:   N 43 6' 17" W 75 13' 23".  This included some street running and a number of crossings.

There is published speculation that the brakes were released by persons unknown.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:23 PM

Very concerned about this one.  It might be very costly. The tender may have a bent frame;  the tank seems to be dislodged.  The pilot beam appears to have sustained very heavy damage, possibly extending to the cylinder saddle.   No quick fixes there.   I hope somebody had a LOT of insurance.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:56 PM

garyla

"Run, Run, Run, Runaway"?

tree68,  are you channeling your "inner Del Shannon?   Smile 

Hey, ya gotta have a little fun!  Devil

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 2:35 PM

garyla

"Run, Run, Run, Runaway"?

tree68,  are you channeling your "inner Del Shannon?   Smile

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:44 AM

According to another source this is a duplicate of a runaway into a couple passenger cars at this same location and track layout.  Once maybe  twice ???

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:17 AM

PNWRMNM
"Another master work of industrial design. Anything at the end of a spur track is an invitation to unhappy consequences."
 

And as long as we are on the subject:   Remember September, 1955 and the NYO&W's "Flying Diesel Corps"  Whistling

See Link @ http://madisoncountycourier.com/?p=27117(Fixed link)

Here's a photo of the aftermath of that 'little excursion' in Hamilton, NY. from this linked site @  http://nyheritage.nnyln.org/cdm/ref/collection/srr_ham/id/30

 

 


 

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Posted by garyla on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:22 AM

"Run, Run, Run, Runaway"?

tree68,  are you channeling your "inner Del Shannon?   Smile

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:28 AM

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Posted by ndbprr on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 5:24 AM
Shades of the movie Silver Streak.
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Posted by NDG on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 2:14 AM
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Posted by PNWRMNM on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:39 PM
Another master work of industrial design. Anything at the end of a spur track is an invitation to unhappy consequences.
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Posted by NorthWest on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:10 PM

Ah, I see. I saw ex-Metro North paint and assumed.

Hopefully the 0-6-0 didn't fare too poorly in the collision and is quickly repaired along with the station.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:59 PM

Well, somebody now hates Tuesdays.... Even more than Mondays.... Angry

And the responsible party? They really wished they called in Ick! this morning.

Wonder what that guy with the car (rubber tire version) was thinking... And, how he is going to explain this one to his significant other.... "Well, it's like this, this train car came barreling down the hill, out if nowhere, slammed into the car, then took out the loco parked at the passenger station"... 

He may have better chances getting her to believe he found Bigfoot.... And he was not happy to be found!

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:40 PM

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Tree: Adirondack Scenic FL9 in the picture in your post?

No - the FL9 is hidden by the left hand tower.  That's 1502 - the F10.  That's a fairly old picture - the passing track isn't in yet.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:00 PM

Unconfirmed report that plastic pellet car had been sitting at end of siding for 1 week +.  Could this be another case of hand brake failing.  Was derail installed and did car run thru it ?

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Posted by NorthWest on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:47 PM

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