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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:15 PM

Seems like the same type logic could be used to justify one pilot in the cockpit of a jet airliner. "This is your captain speaking.  If you pay close attention, you'll see me walking back to the restroom.  For your safety, I have put our 747 on autopilot.  I shouldn't have had the fish".

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:44 PM

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Laugh Three hours later . . . after each engineer has struggled something like 120 to 129 cars back, on the ballast shoulder or between the two stopped trains - and hopefully no bridge without a walkway - and then returned, will the actual cause of the stop be known. 

Unless each train is going in the opposite direction of the other, and the respective engineers are able to stop their trains with the locomotives near the other train's reported defective car, so that each can inspect the other's train.  Then see how they'll be able to fix it - or even just set-out the defective car ? 

Only when there's a separate cost account set up and honestly reported and administered for "Delays due to lack of a 2nd crew member" will the claimed savings be trustworthy.

When the value and hourly costs of the one-man crew locomotives, cars, lading, lost revenue from the track being blocked and unusable while the situation is remedied ("opportunity cost", often in the range of $3,000 to $10,000 per hour), only then will the "penny wise, pound foolish" illusion of labor cost savings from this become apparent. 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:28 PM

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What about the fatugue factor and how is and engineer supposed to watch for signals, run the train and copy a train order at the same time?  He does not have two heads and six arms.  It is better to have two men checking each other.  In a yard a one man crew is fine, but not on the road.  It is inherently dangerous even when PTC is fully implemented.  Read this NTSB accident report and tell me if one man crews are a good idea.

http://ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAR1502.pdf 

That report might be taken as evidence that no-man crews - a la John Kneiling - are the safest ones.  Even with two men on the offending train: neither noticed that a signal light was burned out, hence didn't take appropriate action; and, each one misinterpreted the dim headlight on the rear of the train ahead in 2 different ways !  If this had been made up, it wouldn't be believable.  (And of course, the NTSB wants PTC again.)  Fatigue was not mentioned as a factor, nor was functional overload of either of the crew members. 

[emphasis added - PDN]

"National Transportation Safety Board. 2015. Collision Involving Three BNSF Railway Trains near Amarillo, Texas, September 25, 2013. Publication Type NTSB/RAR-15/02. Washington, DC.

Abstract: On September 25, 2013, BNSF Railway train BLACWSP223A struck the rear end of standing BNSF train SLHTLPC223A near Amarillo, Texas. Several cars derailed and fell across the adjacent track. Approaching BNSF westbound train ZWSPSBD724L struck the derailed cars. The engineer and the conductor of one of the trains recalled passing signals warning them of the train ahead. However, the signal at milepost 543.65 was not lit because the bulb had burned out. Had the bulb not been burned out, the signal would have displayed a red aspect, which would have required them to stop the train before proceeding at restricted speed. When they passed this signal, neither crewmember noticed the dark signal. The engineer stated that he thought the dim headlight from the rear end locomotive helper unit was an approaching train on the adjacent track. The conductor thought the headlight had a yellow cast to it and was a wayside signal. Neither crewmember thought the headlight was on the rear of a standing train. Five of the six involved train crewmembers received injuries and were hospitalized. Estimated damage was $4.4 million. Safety recommendations are made to the Federal Railroad Administration and BNSF Railway."

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:41 PM

What about the fatugue factor and how is and engineer supposed to watch for signals, run the train and copy a train order at the same time?  He does not have two heads and six arms.  It is better to have two men checking each other.  In a yard a one man crew is fine, but not on the road.  It is inherently dangerous even when PTC is fully implemented.  Read this NTSB accident report and tell me if one man crews are a good idea.

http://ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAR1502.pdf

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:20 PM

We often have to work with two person crews - the engineer and the conductor back on the train with the passengers - and it's royal pain.  Just one more person makes life that much easier.  Of course, most of our folks are volunteers, so the cost thing is minimal, but...

The fire service is facing similar challenges.  As has been noted, if all is going well (ie, no fires), then the crews sitting around waiting for the bells to go off are a huge cost with no payback.  When there is an incident, however, oftimes all the folks available aren't enough.  The politicians don't get this - all they see is firefighters lounging around (they actually are usually training or going over equipment, but no matter).  So they look to cut the fire department.  

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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:51 PM
And lets not forget that this only works if the train is put together and ready to go ahead of time...how does one man double up two or three tracks in a yard and perform an air test?
Of course, you have a "utility man" to do that, but then your back to paying two guys....and as Balt points out, any problem on the road will either require the engineer to stop, and tie down the train, walk a lot, and general use up any time savings imagined, or a utility man will have to come out and fix the problem, which takes you right back to the payroll issue.
And the safety issue...yes, I know two guys don't always prevent accidents, but the fact is you only hear about the times it doesn't work, and you never hear about the thousands of times it did work just as intended.
One man may be willing to take a chance and skirt around a rule, but the odds are much less that two guys will,  no one wants word getting back to the other guys you not safe or are a rule breaker, and yes, we do have internal reputations within our crafts, and if you are known as a guy who takes chances, it gets around.
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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:17 PM

As long as a train doesn't require 'manual labor' - a one man crew can get the job done.

What requires manual labor - Copying a mandatory directive, inspecting a train account Defect Detector activation, inspecting train account undesired emergency application of the brakes, inspecting all HAZMAT when a train has emergency brake application (desired or undesired), setting hand brakes on train when it is stopped on mountain grades to permit recharging of the brake system and 102 other operating realities that will happen from time to time and will always happen in the middle of nowhere at O dark 30 in the worst possible weather for the season.  A stopped train is a 'line blockage' for however long the train is stopped.

Remember - for every train that is highlighted as a crew being paid a day or more wages for working 3 or 4 hours - there is most likely another that went on the Hours of Service 50 miles  short of desination and another half dozen that just managed to make destination as their hours of service time expired, and the rest made destination having been on duty 8 to 11 hours.

As has been stated in another post - when things move 'as expected' - there is very little for individuals to do - when things don't move 'as expected' there is more to be done than those on scene are able to accomplish.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:23 PM

Two ways to look at it.

Yes, by all means let's sell someone else's job down the river.  It's become the American Way after all.

Let's compensate the last man standing. 

The BLET has an agreement in place on the BNSF (and others) to receive an additional 2 hours straight pay for working alone if the conductor's position is eliminated.  (This agreement predates the recent attempt to go to one man crews on much of the BNSF.)  Depending on how you look at it, the BLET has agreed to go to one person crews or is just getting compensation for it's craft should the trainmen's position be eliminated and the engineer has to work alone.  All I've seen so far is that the BLET would like to keep 2 person crews.

(It should be noted that in almost all cases on the unionized major carrers, the trainmen's contract is held by SMART/UTU, the engineers contract by the BLET.  BNSF engineers agreeing to working alone doesn't mean they can automatically remove the conductors.) 

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Posted by CJtrainguy on Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:12 PM

Yet if this is all about the bottomline, paying one guy 120% pay, is still cheaper than paying 2 guys each 100% pay. Of course shareholders/execs would prefer to pay 20% pay to one guy.

I've worked enough in industry jobs where when everything went well, the 1, 2, 3 or whatever guys on duty had next to nothing to do, but when something went wrong, with no notice whatsoever, all those guys were despearately needed to keep things from going from bad to worse or put things back together again.

The comparison to how freights in Europe are run seems a bit lacking: if the entire train is 0.3 miles long, it may work with one guy up in the engine. But when the train is 1 mile long, it's a different ball game. And in their eagerness to save some pennies on another crew person, railroads don't seem to care what the cost of that mainline being blocked by a dead train, with no traffic at all going through, will amount to. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:47 PM

"XYZ Detector, MP 123, Track 2, Hot Journal Axle 477, Inspect, Detector Out"

"XYZ Detector, MP 123, Track 1, Dragging Equipment Axle 514, Inspect, Detector Out"

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One man crews: Spread the enthusiasm
Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:14 PM

While reading the feature in th August issue, a few thoughts occurred to me.

While in many instances this makes no sense whatsoever, there are some applications where it can work.

And lets not fool ourselves, where ever implementation is prescribed, the prime motivation is money. It's a money grab where already well compensated  executives and "contribute nothing to the productive work flow" stockholders wish to continue their assault upon the middle class by creating yet another opportunity to skim profit off the top, and keep it for themselves.

 Opposition, unsurprisingly, is strongest among the trade  right where jobs will be lost.  Some of the non-economic arguments they offer in opposition are valid as well, but the people whose pockets this savings  will come out of obviously see this for what the final effect on them will be.

So, in effort to find a happy median, why not use "market incentives" as an inducement?  An engineer who is having to do his shift alone will unquestionably have additional responsibilities and duties, and he should be deserving of a reward for his additional efforts.

 Why not create a payrate dedicated to the position. Call it a "master engineer" or whatever you will, but assign say a 20% premium to his pay rate for services performed solo.

 I believe doing so would offer two advantages currently lacking.  #1, it would stimulate an ambition for many that are currently opposed to the idea, to seize opportunity. And #2, It would put in perspective for the above mentioned beneficiaries, that continung to squeeze the livelihood out of the middle class, comes at a cost for all, and might even cause them to reconsider (since  this way not all of the fruit is going to end up in their basket.

 

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