Well now, this is certainly not going to be helpful in having a reasoned discussion of Crude-by Rail. A group called ForestEthics has published an interactive map telling you if you live in the Blast Zone of a Crude-by-Rail derailment along RR lines in both the US and Canada.
See for yourself:
http://explosive-crude-by-rail.org/
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
"A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable
"O. S. Irricana"
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We all have a right to be scarred!
Mac
It's a twister, it's a twister! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTx_nEThPA
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I wonder how soon they plan to produce a similar map of Interstate Highways and tollways.
John Timm
AgentKid Well now, this is certainly not going to be helpful in having a reasoned discussion of Crude-by Rail. A group called ForestEthics has published an interactive map telling you if you live in the Blast Zone of a Crude-by-Rail derailment along RR lines in both the US and Canada. See for yourself: http://explosive-crude-by-rail.org/ Bruce
Anything to make the sheep think the wolf is at the door.
Norm
I hope they can do better next time. The map shows the wrong rail line in my area. The line 6 blocks from my house is shown, not the correct line 6 miles east. Also shown is a branch line that hasn't been used in the 30 years I've lived here. I wonder if there's a coincidence in the fact that I live in the state's biggest city?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Murphy SidingAlso shown is a branch line that hasn't been used in the 30 years I've lived here.
I'm pretty sure they have a CP line in Saskatchewan that is wrong as well. Where is Doc Murdock when we need him.
Murphy,
This map is largely fact free as you point out. It is in the spirit of those progressive era maps that showed land grants to be many times larger than they really were.
Lairs lie. There is no good response to this stuff. The best the carriers can do is ignore it and point out errors when asked.
PNWRMNM We all have a right to be scarred! Mac
According to their map, I do live outside both of the danger zones. However, if I travel by rail, I put myself right into the worse zone--but I will still travel by rail when I am able because I have never worried about such damage, even when going by a train loaded with petroleum--or any other hazardous material.
I wonder how these people travel and live--do they refuse to use any petroleum products? I also wonder, if they do use petroleum products--have they ever thought how it is possible for the products to be available so they can use them?
Johnny
PNWRMNM [snipped - PDN] This map . . . is in the spirit of those progressive area maps that showed land grants to be many times larger than they really were. . . .
Wonder what their source data is, and how they obtained it ?
Best that no one tell them how the military shipped munitions during WW I and WW II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, etc. - let along nuclear weapons and waste, chemical weapons, etc., etc. Then again, maybe they'll just pass out from the thought of it all . . .
- Paul North.
Drove from Boca Raton to Jacksonville yesterday - passed 15 or 20 BOMBS - identified gas trucks, lord only knows how many other HAZMAT bombs I passed going my way - and going the other way - staggering.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
OK lets scratch the whole plan to get away from forign oil dependance. It isn't going to work. There is just way too much of a chance that your whole neighborhood (and mabee your whole town or state) will be wiped off the map. I say we do away with the whole program and go back to heavy reliance on middle eastern oil so we can fund some more radical terrorists that have lofty dreams (religious goals) of wiping us out entirely. I would feel so much safer.
A very telling line on the cited website:Are there oil trains in your town, that aren’t on this map?. I guess they've guessed everything they could, and now need more help to find out where the trains really go...
Are there oil trains in your town, that aren’t on this map?
I fully agree about the Interstate thing (and a lot of "secondary roads" in and out of locales not served by Interstates...
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And when the add the lines they're told about, do you really think they'd delete the incorrect ones?
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
I don't know Carl. Are you saying these guys have an agenda?
Hmmm...
I didn't think there was any freight going over Raton pass these days.
Looking at some other areas, I suspect that much of this is a fantasy.
Mabee the same tree hugger fantasy where laptops an ipads run on reverse osmosis power from warm & fuzzy land. A power source that is way more important then things like paying attention to the road....
I live less than 500 yards from the BNSF main into Houston, work in the middle of refinery row, and ride these nut jobs “bombs” all over the place all day long…do I look worried?
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desertdog I wonder how soon they plan to produce a similar map of Interstate Highways and tollways. John Timm
At the end of the piece, there's a box with the words "Learn More".
Sorta wish they would.
Tom
Should I be more concerned about the secondary BNSF mainline 6 blocks away, the interstate highway 8 blocks away, the airport flight path straight up above my house, or the 36" natural gas line 150 feet from my office window?
ACY At the end of the piece, there's a box with the words "Learn More". Sorta wish they would. Tom
There is also a 'contact us' button at the bottome of the page. I did and told them what they had just published in their map was GARBAGE!.
Hopefully someday there will be a vaccination for nimbyism.
Leo_Ames Hopefully someday there will be a vaccination for nimbyism.
Only when you don't mind having a landfill opened two blocks from your house.
At least we now know where stupid resides on the web.
PDN: Appears they cabbaged an old STRACNET map off of AAR's website.
They present two different grievances. One is public safety in relation to oil train derailments. The other is their objection to bringing new oil production on line. They say that our country does not need new oil supply, and the only reason that oil companies are going after it is for profit.
The point is not whether they are right or wrong, but rather, whether they can convince the public they are right.
Euclid They present two different grievances. One is public safety in relation to oil train derailments. The other is their objection to bringing new oil production on line. They say that our country does not need new oil supply, and the only reason that oil companies are going after it is for profit. The point is not whether they are right or wrong, but rather, whether they can convince the public they are right.
The only reason Rockefeller got into the oil business in the 19th century was for profit! Does anyone get into business with the purpose of losing money?
BaltACD ACY At the end of the piece, there's a box with the words "Learn More". Sorta wish they would. Tom There is also a 'contact us' button at the bottome of the page. I did and told them what they had just published in their map was GARBAGE!.
BaltACD Euclid They present two different grievances. One is public safety in relation to oil train derailments. The other is their objection to bringing new oil production on line. They say that our country does not need new oil supply, and the only reason that oil companies are going after it is for profit. The point is not whether they are right or wrong, but rather, whether they can convince the public they are right. The only reason Rockefeller got into the oil business in the 19th century was for profit! Does anyone get into business with the purpose of losing money?
I wonder--how altruistic are these people as they complain about the oil companies' making a profit? Does any one of them work for free, asking no compensation for his time?
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