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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:27 AM
Oh...and happy birthday, Jay Eaton! Hope you have a great day, and a great, healthy year! (No need to reply--your work is probably very taxing at this point!)

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:22 AM
Larry, in my job, my "human contact" is purely with the people I relieve and am relieved by, and over the intercom system. (Unless I have a student, which I did yesterday, and was supposed to today, but he's sick.)

Railroading is my life, but working at it won't have to be.

I feel good about the people who have trained under me. They do well in their jobs. I fear, however, that there may eventually be changes in their job description, and that if I were to return, even for a visit, that I would be lost. But I'm sure I will return from time to time--I think I'd disappoint a lot of people if I didn't.

Well, off to work! Time to break/make the freight trains.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:11 PM

Carl - Trust me.  You'll wonder how you ever found time to go to work.

The biggest danger is with the folks for whom working was their life.  No hobbies, no outside interests.  When they retire, they are lost.

A concern of mine was simply human contact - something you take for granted when you see the people at work every day.  I'm getting around enough to see people, so it hasn't been an issue.

I've been missed at work (and I have the emails to prove it), but they're getting by.  It's tough trying to pass along everything about a rather complex system in the few weeks I had to get my replacement up to speed - and he is only filling in until the permanent replacement comes on board.

I haven't missed work yet, though.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:42 PM
Dan, it really does make me nervous, but not because I won't be (or feel) needed any more. At that point, I won't care whether the railroad "needs" me. I know they will miss me (my talents, hobbies, and character make me unique), and I hope it won't be like one misses a toothache after the dental work is done. But I'm more concerned about being able to afford retirement, particularly the insurance aspect of things. My little health scare is over for now, which eases my mind a bit--but we both have some dental work in the offing, and there some unanswered questions that Pat is looking into at the moment about her health. There is also the fact that I will be losing some of my best sources of information once I leave. I know that retirement is a momentous step, and every retiree I've talked to seems glad to be out of it. And being part of a small seniority roster makes it a little more personal, especially in this trying time: by moving along, I know the people who will benefit by being able to hold positions, and I'll be happy to give them the chance. (The larger yard-foreman seniority roster will scarcely notice when I go.)

The need will be elsewhere: the things I'd like to do but don't have time for, the places I'd like to go but couldn't afford the time off, and the grandchildren whom I hope will be admirers of the nicer side of railroading when I can show that to them.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:44 PM

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Not sure, but I think John W. Barriger was still president of the P&LE in 1964. His hiring Howard Fogg to do the calendar art was truly a class act.

His "signature" is on the preface to the calendar, so you have that right, on both counts.

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:43 PM

To pass on one's affinity for something to the next generation...that's priceless.  I can't wait to have experiences like that with my little guy (not so little...try picking him up!) but that will come with time.

Carl and Larry (anyone else too!)-
Does the prospect of being retired make you nervous?  My father equated it to not being needed anymore...and was quite antsy about it.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:06 PM
Larry, I had the same thoughts...that's a much younger version of Matt, and also of Nora's boys. I know Matt has grown beyond that, and probably so have Jay and Chuck--who may also have become jaded from living right up against a busy main line.

Let's see...from 1875 to the beginning of 1919--that's 43 years and counting. Some folks currently working on the railroad might be able to reach that, but you can now go after 30 years (at age 60) with full benefits. I will have 39 years in by the end of this month, and I probably won't hang around to see 40.

Amazing what can come from friends you don't realize you had, or from relatives that you didn't know had a railroading connection. Years ago I received a good-sized amount of china and other memorabilia from a cousin of my mother-in-law (she passed away this year at the age of 98): her dad had worked for a railroad, I think, but the collection suggested a fondness for train travel.

Not sure, but I think John W. Barriger was still president of the P&LE in 1964. His hiring Howard Fogg to do the calendar art was truly a class act.

Oh...thank goodness I gave credit to the people who originally posted the premature information. Jay Eaton's big day is tomorrow, I guess.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 5:49 PM

Cute video.  Reminds me of another young railfan some of us know.

Happy birthday, Jay!

Stopped at the fire station the other day and found a large envelope marked to my attention.  One of our members was in a old station now being used by a feed and farm supply store.  He came away with several interesting items. 

Newest was a pictorial calendar entitled "Railroading 1979."  Curiously, it was all steam locomotives - all the more interesting because a number of them are still under steam.  Conway Scenic 47 (now known as 7470 and still in service), Roaring Camp and Big Trees #2, "Jupiter", Sierra RR #28, "Edison" at Greenfield Village - still in service, California Western #46 (on the "Super Skunk"), Huckleberry #2 in Flint, MI (still in steam), Knott's Berry Farm # 40 (possibly the current 340?), "Engine #3 at Virginia City", Mt Washington's "Col. Teague" (#10 - possibly now called "Kroflight"),  Edaville #7, and Calistoga #1913 - a 1/3 scale Pacific.

The other calendar is a 1964 appointment calendar, side bound, from the P&LE.  Noteworthy here is that the art for each month was done by Howard Fogg. 

Both calendars are pristine.

From a historical standpoint, the most significant piece is the mimeographed "Standing of Passenger Conductors, St Lawrence and Ontario Divisions" dated January 1, 1919.  I want to scan it, but the pages are extremely brittle.  We'll see.

The most senior conductor has a seniority date of July 4, 1882.  Beginning in 1901, most of the names listed also have a freight date as well, with the oldest being March 1, 1892.

The list also has brakemen, with the most senior listed as 1875, no month given.

Many of these folks would have started with the Rome, Watertown, and Ogdensburg (or one of the predecessors thereof).

Fascinating stuff.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 5:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDKrEnmT3c

Nothing spectacular, but in the eyes and minds of the right people (Bruce and me, for example), it will bring a nostalgic rush. And a wish that we could do this for our own kids (and, in my case, grandchildren). Not everybody has access to a yard like this (I know I sure don't!).

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:43 PM
Thanks to the folks in the Diner for mentioning that today is Jay Eaton's birthday. Hope it's been good to you, Jay, and have a great year!

(Going away right now to look at the video Bruce referenced.)

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:56 PM

I hope everyone here gets a chance to look at the video on the thread "Train Watching with rail fan friends" on the Classic Trains forums. It is about two young boys watching a crew doing some switching. It is the way I spent my life as an "AgentKid" for years. As the expression goes "nice work if you can get it!"

I first saw the video last night and my mood has been better ever since.Big Smile

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Posted by blhanel on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:39 PM

tree68

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That woodchuck (yes, I know how to spell Punxsutawney) saw his shadow this morning. Now, if we could only hold him to his prediction that spring will begin on March 16. We should be so lucky!

Yep - If he sees his shadow, we're in for six more weeks of winter.

If he doesn't, spring will be here in about a month and a half...

So true...

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:33 PM

CShaveRR
That woodchuck (yes, I know how to spell Punxsutawney) saw his shadow this morning. Now, if we could only hold him to his prediction that spring will begin on March 16. We should be so lucky!

Yep - If he sees his shadow, we're in for six more weeks of winter.

If he doesn't, spring will be here in about a month and a half...

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:59 PM
It wasn't bad at all out in the open at Elmhurst. And the railroad cooperated pretty well--three freights and three scoots in about an hour.

Got some very good news for myself at my meeting with the nurse this afternoon--I can stay off the old heart medication. I could not believe the difference between shoveling snow today and what I endured while doing it before my procedure. That wasn't the heart--it was the medication.

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Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:06 AM

Our snow overnight....almost didn't happen.  I'll call it a very light skiff, but it hardly qualifies for such.  In fact, it has already disappeared. Temps headed up again today....Above freezing now.  And partly sunny.

Somehow, here in the rail corridors of the mid west, and even other traffic qualified sections around the country, to my thinking would be well served with 110 mph service....Cost to speed ratio might produce a more efficient way to spend transportation {rail}, dollars.  Bang for the buck....compared to money required to get to 200 plus mph speeds.  Perhaps some areas  would be "right" for a creation of a corridor of the high speed service.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 8:57 AM
We woke up to an inch of snow on the sidewalks this morning, and more is coming. That woodchuck (yes, I know how to spell Punxsutawney) saw his shadow this morning. Now, if we could only hold him to his prediction that spring will begin on March 16. We should be so lucky!

Wintry weather here notwithstanding, I'll be in Elmhurst--home of the hourly scoots, slow-moving freight trains, readable control-point signals, a great hobby shop, and Pat's dentist appointment--later this morning. I don't plan on staying in the office and listening to the "elevator music".

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 8:31 AM
Here's more good news, if one believes that hope springs eternal...

http://www.rtands.com/newsflash/amtrak-to-perform-high-speed-rail-improvement-study-in-michigan.html

Thing is, that 110-mph running on the Amtrak-owned portion has been "coming soon" for about twelve years now at least, and I've given up on believing it. Show me the timetable!

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, February 1, 2010 8:12 PM

....That's an interesting article....and perhaps the "new" funding for at least a move to get HSR off dead center.

The pic's. from Chris seems to show the station sure still has the potential spaces to be a show place.  And exciting entry / exit, to the big city.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, February 1, 2010 10:08 AM
Speaking of Chicago Union Station...

http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=50584

Amen!

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:12 PM

....I have been in Chicago Union.....but oh so long ago.  My only memory of the inside....that it was dark and dungy.  Time frame was:  About February 1953....On my way west {way west}, for Uncle Sam.  We met a troop train there and perhaps we didn't even get into some of the massive spaces Chris has recorded in his great B/W photos.  So we would have disembarked off a train from the east and boarded the troop train headed to Seattle. 

My memory of it and the beautiful elegance in Chris's photos is so different....surely it was Union we changed trains in.....

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:12 PM

To quote Ricki, concerning the wonderful views of Chicago Union--

"Love them!"
 
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Posted by CopCarSS on Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:01 PM

And that just seemed really, really wrong to me. I think I'm still going to call it the Sears Tower.

Thanks, everyone, for the kind comments. I really need to go back sometime and shoot the station with a tripod (if they allow that). All these shots are handheld at ISO 3200...it'd be nice to shoot at a lower ISO (and with a wider lens...next time I'm there, I hope to have something a bit wider than the 18mm I had on this occasion).

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:00 PM

blhanel

Niiiiice.  I've been through Union Station a couple of times, but I don't remember the huge central room and the grand staircase- is it possible to access the trains on the south side without going through those?

Yes, as Carl said, you do not have to go through this room to get to the concourses. This was the waiting room many years ago, and it had many more benches in it. Also, there was a restaurant connected to it. Nowadays, I do not know of a decent restaurant in the station; people seem to be satisfied with the food courts. Back then, the passageway under Canal Street had the various ticket windows in it. Now, all of the proper waiting rooms are right next to the concourses; even the first class lounge has its own door directly to the pass through track that connects the two sides of the station..

I did not get to Chicago until 1968, about the time that the air rights over the concourses were sold, or let, and it was not long before the first reconstruction of that side began, so I really have no knowledge of the original concourses. I do remember that it is not easy to go down one of the staircases from the street at the time when people are coming in to work.

I forwarded your note to my wife; she has not yet had time to comment on it, but I am sure that she will appreciate (as I have), seeing these views.

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Posted by blhanel on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:26 PM

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Brian, that's one of two such staircases there. If you entered the building anywhere east of Canal Street and went through the rat's maze right to the tracks, you could easily avoid these places. Go into the building from the west side of Canal Street.

Which is precisely what we did, went straight out to the closest exit/entrance to the Sears Tower (yeah, I know it's got a new name, but I forget what it is).

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:15 PM
Chris, I've never seen the place looking so good! How can anyone criticize that?

Brian, that's one of two such staircases there. If you entered the building anywhere east of Canal Street and went through the rat's maze right to the tracks, you could easily avoid these places. Go into the building from the west side of Canal Street.

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:14 PM

Genuine railroad ambience at it's best....Beautiful.   And the B/W photos are so sharp.....If the technology would happen to be 3-D, I believe one could walk right into the scene, and on the marble floor then hear the echo's from the footsteps....Just great Chris.

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Posted by blhanel on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:07 PM

Niiiiice.  I've been through Union Station a couple of times, but I don't remember the huge central room and the grand staircase- is it possible to access the trains on the south side without going through those?

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Posted by CopCarSS on Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:43 PM

Hey Gang,

I finally got all of my shots from my January Chicago trip up. There's not a whole lot rail related, but I did shoot this series in Union Station, so I thought I'd share:

C&C always welcome.

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Posted by The Butler on Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:23 PM

Plows were needed here today.  I woke up to seven inches of light, powdery snow.  The thirteen year old Beagle would not go out until I shoveled the patio.  I can't blame her, the snow was up past her belly.  I was surprised when I left for work, the county and then the city had done a very good job of plowing the streets.

Unfortunately, it is a thirty minute drive (in good weather) to the nearest active rail line.  That is the UP line through Bismark, Mo.  The Texas Eagle uses that line twice daily.  I have noticed that it is still jointed rail through there.  Does anyone know what the highest class rating that track can get without CWR?  I have also noticed that Bismark has a MOW office.  Well, that what it looks like with all the MOW trucks parked there. Wink

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:33 PM
No need for plows here today--I went to work with feathery flakes fluttering down. Pat could have cleared the front sidewalk with a long skirt and a brisk-paced walk. (She used a shovel instead.)

Had an interesting and lucky day today, once I got out of work. Went into Elmhurst to buy a paper and saw two trains, both manifests (MPRCB westbound, Goodness-knows-what eastbound; had loaded gons from Sterling behind the power).

Then, after I picked up Pat, we extended a shopping trip to include a little time at Eola, where in the space of less than an hour we caught two dinkies, one westbound Amtrak, one westbound manifest (BRCGAL), a westbound train of empty CPOX coal gons, and one live Eolafan (good to see you, Jim!). Not to mention three trains that shone headlights and ditch lights at various times but didn't come through.

Then, returning from Eola to complete our shopping, we caught a southbound coal train moving at speed along the former EJ&E, with UP power fore and aft (for Midwest Generation's power plant at Plaines, no doubt). CN must have worked on the crossing signals, because they took forever to go up after the train had passed. (What do they do, eliminate the inside circuit?)

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