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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 2:26 PM

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In exactly what way, Larry ?

It's really hard to describe - without the lantern, you're still the conductor (actually, I'm a trainman (brakeman/assistant conductor), and it says so on my cap, but they don't know the difference).

With the lantern, you're the conductor - spoken with a certain level of reverence and often followed by a request for a picture with the kids.

The cap itself has much the same effect - even though our car hosts generally wear black & white, too, our conductors have "the cap."

Bottom line, though, is that you're exactly right - it's a prop and part of the picture that the kids (and their parents) have for the role.

I sign "autographs" as "the Conductor," with the year.  And get my picture taken a lot.  Goes with the territory.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:33 PM
Got back to work today after what seemed like a very long weekend (it was just Monday and Tuesday--honest!). The tower interior was painted (even though the carpentry wasn't completed, and still isn't), and I was surprised to see that the outside awnings had also been fixed up, after 30 or more years of neglect that I'm aware of. New interior color: white (that won't last!). Our boss didn't like the old blue--he told me that it was a color he last saw on a '68 something-or-other repainted by Earl Scheib!

Business seems good, but no long-term jobs have been restored yet. Of course, I'm not really in a position to say how good the business is--some of the increase in cars of certain types that we've been getting (automobiles, for example) might be stuff that's handled in other ways when business is better.

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Posted by AgentKid on Thursday, December 3, 2009 6:58 PM

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Our boss didn't like the old blue--he told me that it was a color he last saw on a '68 something-or-other

It sounds like whoever built that tower used a colour you just don't see in the rest of the world. It reminded me of the two shades of green the CPR used relentlessly throughout their system anytime an interior had to be painted. It didn't matter if it was a station, a caboose or whatever.

Another forum tried to come up with an acceptable name for the lighter shade of green that didn't involve a bodily secretion in the description, and eventually decided on "Seafoam Green". Naming the darker trim shade wasn't quite as difficult. I think they ended up calling it "Moss Green". This stuff was on walls, ceilings, chairs, cupboards, desks, and waiting room benches in the stations. Only the living quarters could be painted different. And it was similarly applied on any other interior that needed painting. Some cabooses used a gray variant but I think that came after the station's had received their final painting.

Was that shade of blue in your tower found elsewhere on that system back in the day? Once those companies settled on a colour, I think they used to buy it by the tank car full.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:13 PM
Bruce, I always called it "institutional green". The tower interiors were that color once, too. We've also had beige with khaki trim, and baby-s**t yellow. None of them look good after accumulated nicotine stains (with UP's no-smoking policy, that shouldn't be a problem any more--unfortunately, I know that the enforcement is pretty lax).

The blue came courtesy of UP, which had the towers painted a couple of years after the merger. I don't think I'd seen it before (or since). It probably would have been close to GN Big Sky Blue had it been done with anything but a flat finish.

My relief pointed out to me a couple of spots where the caulking wasn't done correctly--I'm going to try and remedy that (between trains) tomorrow. One draft was noticeable (even audible!) with the wind blowing directly toward that window.

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Wish me luck for the next day or so. It has been determined that, due to the effect of the antibiotics I was given for my pneumonia, I'm severely dehydrated--"Down at least a quart", as my doctor put it. So I now have a 24-hour Gatorade (nothing but Gatorade) regimen. I never really liked Gatorade, but this orange stuff isn't too bad. And there are plenty of dipsticks around work with which I might be able to check fluid levels.

(Can you tell that today was a little rough?)

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, December 4, 2009 8:45 AM

Gotta stay hydrated Carl...and the Gatorade is better than the next option: IV fluids...

We've got snow and wind this morning.  Themometer on the truck said 23F, nice and brisk.  CN has been busy this morning.  I can hear them blowing for crossings north of town (Sherman Rd.) and then when they are due East of me I can hear (if wind is right) the warning "bell" on Nevada St.  I have to get to Green Bay as a pair of AC4400s I ordered came in.  I think 5 in the 'fleet' should be enough...lol.

Still waiting for word from CP on my application...

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, December 4, 2009 8:51 AM

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And there are plenty of dipsticks around work with which I might be able to check fluid levels.

When you have to interrupt your enjoyment of a glass/bottle of Gatorade for a trip to the facilities, you're probably back up to the "F" mark...

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Posted by AgentKid on Friday, December 4, 2009 6:40 PM

How's the Gatorade binge going Carl?Smile

tree68
you're probably back up to the "F" mark

I have to thank Larry for a good dipstick joke. I tried to think of one Thursday night but I drew a blank.

We have had bad weather here today and it is going to continue until early Saturday. A good old fashioned blizzard. Railroaders wouldn't have had a good day today. Things just don't work right under these conditions.

I have never heard how this modern AC power is to work with on cold winter days. Coming west across the prairie to Calgary into a headwind like today used to be cold work on a SD-40-2. It took a long time for somebody to decide to go back to full width cabs. Time to put the news on to see if they had any newsworthy problems.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, December 4, 2009 7:24 PM
Pat fixed a delicious supper tonight, to celebrate the expiration of the 24 foodless hours. I got perhaps three quarts of Gatorade down last night and today; I'll finish it off at work tomorrow. I'm still not sure about the purpose of this little exercise--rehydrating, to be sure...but why no food?

Took care of the caulking problems at the tower myself. It doesn't look very professional, but it was effective.

We've been hearing about the unusual Texas snowfall, and wonder if Ed will "stay frosty". Can't wait to see his "unhappy picture" this year. Meanwhile, we got a dusting of snow overnight last night in western Chicagoland. Thanks to cool temperatures, it lasted a while, but caused no major problems. The forecast is calling for a good-sized storm to hit us around the middle of next week; I wonder if Willy can elaborate.

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Posted by AgentKid on Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:33 AM

Got up to go Curling this morning and it turns out the weather is to crappy to be out in; Light Snow, 17 degrees F (-8 C), windchill of 0 degrees F (-18 C), and a 27 MPH (44 kph) wind from the North. Without a good reason like work.

I've been enjoying my Saturday morning trips to the rink as I can be a passenger, giving me time to look at CP operations on the mainline between Alyth and Ogden as somebody else does the driving down Ogden Road. I travel with non railfans so I just keep my observations to myself but it is still nice to get up beside the railway.

Looks like I will be stuck inside today. Have to check the mailbox to see if the January 2010 TRAINS has come yet.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:58 PM
Snow to the south of us, soon to be snow to the east of us...just found out from my brother-in-law that they had 12-15 inches of the stuff in Grand Rapids. I'm sure our time shall come.

Bruce, how long a stretch do you have to check out the railroad? I usually add a mile or so to my commute to work by driving along our tracks in Elmhurst. It's only about a mile, but at the time I go, there's usually something or other moving, or about to arrive.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:33 PM

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Snow to the south of us, soon to be snow to the east of us...just found out from my brother-in-law that they had 12-15 inches of the stuff in Grand Rapids. I'm sure our time shall come.

 

Boy, that stuff must be all around us.....Just talked to some family members in Somerset, Pa. and they have about 3" of the stuff there.  Here, we've not seen nary a snow flake this season yet.

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Posted by AgentKid on Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:41 PM

I looked at the Canadian Trackside Guide and it lists the distance as 1.9 mi. That would be taken from inside Alyth near the Yard Office, and Ogden Road joins the line near the south, timetable east, throat of the yard, We continue beside the line for a few block's past where the RR has its' signboard for Ogden, so I would think we parallel the line for a mile or a little more. I'll check his odometer next time.

After I posted this morning I looked at the Saturday Morning news show on one of the stations. At the start of the show they said only about a third of the staff made it to work. The first news they did looked a little odd as the person who puts the names under peoples faces wasn't there, and without the info at the bottom of the screen it made everybody's head look bigger than normal.Laugh I took a look at 9 and again before the end of the show at 10 and by then things were mostly back to normal. There was all kinds of storm related mayhem, but as I have notice discussed on other threads, RR freight train delays just aren't newsworthy.

The snow has stopped but otherwise conditions aren't much different than I described this morning. Didn't get much accomplished today.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, December 6, 2009 3:12 PM
We might be getting some winter flakery as soon as tonight, with some accumulation by morning and more during the day. I would dearly love to be snowed in.

The first of the weekly perishable trains is finally getting close to me here. It has had nothing but problems before this morning--I think I counted three times it was delayed by broken rail ahead of it (longest delay was two hours). There have also been signal problems, as well as the usual trains ahead, trains being met, and trains passing it (yes, folks, UP lets Amtrak run around the perishable train!).

So, after it lost some time in Council Bluffs, I see no more delays. The train began to make up lost time on former CNW territory, and picked up time all the way across Iowa and well into Illinois. There were some check-points where it was averaging 60. It should be several hours early into Proviso.

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Posted by blhanel on Sunday, December 6, 2009 4:15 PM

At least yesterday was sunny, if not too warm...

Got to go for an appoximate one-hour round trip train ride-

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Sunday, December 6, 2009 10:47 PM

CShaveRR
We might be getting some winter flakery as soon as tonight, with some accumulation by morning and more during the day. I would dearly love to be snowed in.

 

The first of the weekly perishable trains is finally getting close to me here. It has had nothing but problems before this morning--I think I counted three times it was delayed by broken rail ahead of it (longest delay was two hours). There have also been signal problems, as well as the usual trains ahead, trains being met, and trains passing it (yes, folks, UP lets Amtrak run around the perishable train!).

 

So, after it lost some time in Council Bluffs, I see no more delays. The train began to make up lost time on former CNW territory, and picked up time all the way across Iowa and well into Illinois. There were some check-points where it was averaging 60. It should be several hours early into Proviso.

On a similar (kinda) note...we had an open house at the Oshkosh Model Railroad Club Saturday night.  I was running Q197 (loaded stacker) Westbound.  Our layout is in an area 45' x 90' and has a double tracked mainline around it.  The layout has several spedometers and the top speed for freights is 65.  Based on our fast clock and 'guesstimated' running distances, 5 laps around the layout gets me from point A to B.  I usually average 50 "mph" around the layout as my train is longer and usually gets the high green for meets.  Last night...not the case.  I was shorter than normal and kept getting stuck behind coal trains.  My train was beginning to run late (nearing "2 hours") when I was finally able to get around the last coal train and dodge the local switcher.  The dispatcher let me run right hand (normal for us is left hand...shocking, right?) to get clear tracks and there I went.  The last two laps I averaged 63!  Ok I know HO scale isn't the same as what you mean obviously...but I sure felt a little "crunch" to get into the terminal "on time".  Some of the visitors to our open house who watched me jump in speed 20 mph asked if I was in a hurry.  I put on a sly grin, hit the horn, jumped to notch 7 and said "Yep"...off I went.  LOL!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 7, 2009 9:53 AM
I just slept in...didn't forget...

Today is the day we send birthday greetings to the oft-proclaimed Queen of the Forum, Mookie!

It was a little over eight years ago that Mookie came to the Forum, as curious as her namesake kitten, and every bit as playful. I immediately felt the urge to adopt her as the tagalong sister I wish I had (my real sisters did not have these traits in their nature). Happily, she agreed to this, and she's been a sister to me ever since--not only providing me with questions to answer but sticking with me during some hard times and never quite giving up on me.

To know "Sis" personally is a real treat. What you see on the Forum is what you get in real life. She has a laugh that is contagious, and has a way of putting her finger (paw?) right on the heart of the matter. She catches things that many other people miss (when we're train-watching together this really keeps me on my toes!), or take for granted and really shouldn't (ditto).

So happy birthday, SJ! Stay strong, healthy, and curious!

Fondly,

BC

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 7, 2009 10:00 AM
Brian, that's one ride I wouldn't mind taking. Think I'll ever get to do it on an Amtrak train?

Glad you had sunny weather--it was cloudy here yesterday, and today we have a small accumulation of snow. They aren't even hazarding a guess as to how bad the big one will be starting tomorrow night.

Dan, if your schedule is published somewhere, I don't blame you a bit!

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, December 7, 2009 10:31 AM

Thank you for the kind words, Brother Carl. 

I have made many friends from the forum and hope to continue making new ones and keeping all the old ones. 

Will never quit being curious, since this is a subject very close to my heart. 

Having said that, I want you all to know that I will be changing my birthday to sometime in the month of June.  I have never had a cold or snowy day in June in my hometown here in Nebraska.  Perfect! And anyway, my Driver/husband of 20 years keeps thinking my birthday is November 7th!  Keeps me humble and of the opinion that birthdays really are overrated!  Shy

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, December 7, 2009 11:36 AM

Mookie
And anyway, my Driver/husband of 20 years keeps thinking my birthday is November 7th!  Keeps me humble and of the opinion that birthdays really are overrated!  Shy

That just means you get the November present, then another "guilt" present when you remind him of the real date...  Big Smile

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, December 7, 2009 12:29 PM

Happy Birthday Mook.  Many returns...

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Posted by blhanel on Monday, December 7, 2009 1:01 PM

CShaveRR
Brian, that's one ride I wouldn't mind taking. Think I'll ever get to do it on an Amtrak train?

Glad you had sunny weather--it was cloudy here yesterday, and today we have a small accumulation of snow. They aren't even hazarding a guess as to how bad the big one will be starting tomorrow night.

Re your question above, I hope not- the "Holiday Express" (picture) consists of the coaches used for the Hawkeye Express, which are old Metra-style bi-levels- so if you want to experience what we did Saturday, just go hop on the next Metra headed out to the burbs.  They're not the most comfortable seats in the world, but we really enjoyed visiting with friends on both legs of the journey while watching the Iowa countryside between Palo and Vinton roll by.  I do have high hopes for increased AMTRAK service around here in the coming years, though.  It would be nice to be able to drive less than an hour to get to an AMTRAK stop.

As far as the next storm is concerned, I'm paying close attention to Willy's posts on the subject on Facebook- looks like we're in line to get 8+ inches.  Last night the local prognosticators were being amazingly specific on predicting that we'd get 1.4 inches overnight- looks about right out my window today.

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, December 7, 2009 1:09 PM

Mookie
And anyway, my Driver/husband of 20 years keeps thinking my birthday is November 7th! 

Jen....I have had the same problem....Wife Jean's B D is Aug. 9th and I sometimes have "moved" it to another near by month....Not good....!

Now since I'm informed:  Best of Birthday Greatings..... {the green is for your request of June}.

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, December 7, 2009 2:19 PM

Quentin:  Some people are absolutely rabid about their birthday.  And even holidays.  Fortunately I have my Dad's good nature - celebrate them when you can and if not on the day, no big deal. Another day will do just fine.  

The Driver also doesn't remember times I have screwed up or made a mess or acted like a boob.  So it all works out for the best!  Approve

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 7, 2009 2:44 PM
Brian, I was talking more about the route than the equipment. I probably rode on some of those very cars at one time or another--they appear to be ex-CNW rather than ex-Caltrain. I remember when there was talk of an extra Amtrak run (extension of the Pioneer?) over the ex-CNW main line, but I think UP would be less interested. The IAIS route might be just as practical, and probably, going via Des Moines, more po*****ally correct (never let it be said that I introduced pol***cs here!).

The current forecast on the computer calls for an inch of snow during the day tomorrow, then a 100-percent chance of "possibly several inches" tomorrow night, and more "possible accumulation" Wednesday. Shovels are at the ready.

SJ, remember that if you collect additional birthdays during the year, you take the chance of your age increasing proportionally. I suppose having a mother with your attributes might be interesting, but... Wink

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, December 7, 2009 3:55 PM

34 plus degrees now and the snow has about had it here.....

That "other" system......??  We'll hope it deviates another direction.

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Posted by AgentKid on Monday, December 7, 2009 4:07 PM

Well everyone is certainly in a celebratory mood here today, so I will join in in wishing the birthday gal a Happy B-Day

One question about the coaches in Brian's picture. Just how old is that bi-level low centre door technology. I ask because when I rode the Rocky Mountaineer luxury train from Calgary to Vancouver with my mother on Mother's Day weekend in 1999, one of those coaches appeared out of nowhere on a siding near Revelstoke, BC being used as a gang sleeper car. It had the cheapest all yellow paint job money can buy, and looked to be in really rough shape. It was one of the most severe examples of what doesn't belong in this picture I have ever seen.

I won't have as much time as usual this week to look at the forums, as this is the week they are having the trials to determine Canada's Men's and Women's Curling teams for the 2010 Olympics. In a uniquely Canadian and more particularly western Canadian way the TSN sports network will be broadcasting between 9 and 10.5 hours of Curling a day from today until Thursday. A lot of businesses will even have it on in the background at work. I imagine that if you could measure overall productivity on a week by week basis like the AAR does with carloadings you would detect a noticeable drop in productivity in Canada west of Thunder Bay, ON. We do take our curling seriously, and is there ever a strong field of teams this time. I may not get much done, but I will enjoy myself.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 7, 2009 6:47 PM
Bruce, I think the Burlington first used gallery-style cars in the mid-1950s; those cars were stainless-steel. The C&NW got its first cars sometime in the late 1950s. The cars in Brian's picture, however, are probably among the more recent production, built sometime between the mid-1960s and 1970. Without a picture, I couldn't tell you much about your yellow car or where it came from.

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Posted by blhanel on Monday, December 7, 2009 7:29 PM

Here's another shot with a better view of one of those cars:

 

And a shot of the engine on the south end of the train:

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 7, 2009 8:49 PM
Nice paint job! Although I wouldn't mind seeing either locomotive remaining, it's really too bad they didn't get a cab car to use on one end.

Many reasons:

1. The opportunity for a lucky railfan to stand in the end vestibule and get a view out the front.

2. Energy savings--they don't really need two units to move those trains, do they?

3. The ex-CNW cab cars had the sweetest-sounding three-chime horn I can remember--I miss them!

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Posted by blhanel on Monday, December 7, 2009 9:00 PM

Well, they did have a cab car towards the south end, but there also was a private car (the Susquehana) behind it, hence the need for the engine, I would guess.  An acquaintance of mine, Dave Kroeger, who frequents some of the Yahoo groups, got to sit up in the cab car and make PA announcements.  It looked like all of the bi-levels had flourescent lighting running the length of the car interiors, plus heaters, so I would guess that some serious HEP was being used.

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