Aztec siding is being extended west by about 11,000 feet. This CP Box was at the west end. Back in 2018 it was at the west siding switch (along with two siding foundations) but wasn't installed. IF it was never installed and now the west siding is being relocated, it would not be needed for its original purpose.
If it was ultimately installed, then its possible the siding as been extended and the new west end activated, thus this CP Box in no longer required. Still, I am surprised it made it all the way to California.
A Photo of the Unbelievable
In the last few years in ARIZONA (“Arizona”), old target signals were upgraded to color lights on much of the remaining single-track Sunset Route line, including new CP boxes. Adjacent the I-8 Freeway BOTH ends of the Aztec siding were among them, the eastern end by that famous water tower, and the western end only identified with a NEW box placarded as CP SP811 AZTEC.
CURRENTLY, within the Colton Signal Dept. fenced yard, Colton, CA (“California”), by the Colton Flyover, is THAT rather new Arizona CP SP811 AZTEC box!
K.P. happened by that signal dept. yard yesterday, June 25, 2019 while on personal business, and the above photo is his own.
The forum may be surprised by this new ‘two states’ development!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.P.’s absolute “theorem” from early, early childhood that he has seen over and over and over again: Those that CAUSE a problem in the first place will act the most violently if questioned or exposed.
Hi, everyone!
I AM NOT K.P., BUT K.P.’s BOSS (SORT OF ANYWAY, HE’S RETIRED … SORT OF). He requested I post this in his forum account in his absence. (He doesn’t have a computer in Hemet, CA.)
He wanted you all to know that a RECENTLY INSTALLED (just last year) Sunset Route CP box in ARIZONA is now at a prominent signal dept. fenced yard in CALIFORNIA, believe it or not!!!!!
I’ve authorized him to post one of my photos (taken Sunday afternoon 6-23-2019), which he will probably do graveyard early Wednesday morning (6-26 when here), which post should be approved (hopefully) and appear at the forum sometime after 7 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Wednesday, if all goes as planned (including NO problems at Kalmbach’s end).
kgbw49From Union Pacific’s 2018 Fact Book ....
I'd urge you to look at the more detailed maps in my .sig that I try to maintain rather than UP's satellite view. The SR overview shows where the remaining single track is.
kgbw49.... short stretch of single track near Thermal. It would seem to make sense to close that gap....
I think you misunderstood me or I didn't emphasize my speculation enough. Competent dispatching will not let shorter single track sections be a bottleneck. Adding a second track is expensive compared to the benefit of closing 'short' gaps, especially bridges. PSR is all about being extremely thrifty with capital spending.
When UP (and BNSF up north) added double track some ~15-20 mile gaps were left; this lets them add 10 or 20 mile sections later by adding midpoint crossover(s) and track.
There are some remaining shorter single track sections that (IMO) may cause disruption, say near West Colton and Yuma. Only the RR could explain why these aren't a concern. My best theory is that 'silo budgeting' hides the problem, but that's a whole 'nuther thread.
Another oddball arrangement is the ~18 miles of DT between CP Dome and Wellton; it does not have a midpoint universal crossover and reportedly it is still signaled only in one direction!
kgbw49if they follow the CN “formula”, one would expect more long sidings and extension of existing sidings on the Sunset Route east of El Paso, on the former Texas & Pacific, and on the Golden State Route
Certainly possible if traffic increases, but it remains to be seen if PSR will make that happen. Call me very skeptical ....
BTW notice that the previously planned DT between El Paso and Sierra Blanca seems to be stalled. Also, the heavy volume of Permian Basin oil related traffic between Monahans and Midland (ex-T&P) mostly goes east. No traffic increase, no more DT.
Links to my Google Maps ---> Sunset Route overview, SoCal metro, Yuma sub, Gila sub, SR east of Tucson, BNSF Northern Transcon and Southern Transcon *** Why you should support Ukraine! ***
Good stuff Mike F90! Thanks!
From Union Pacific’s 2018 Fact Book, they show two large single-track sections in Arizona, then a short single-track gap at the Yuma bridge, then a large single-track gap in Southeastern CA, and one small single-track gap at what must be Thermal.
I echo your puzzlement on that very short stretch of single track near Thermal. It would seem to make sense to close that gap to keep trains moving on double track all the way through there, and then add long sidings and extend sidings in those three longer single-track sections.
Perhaps if the Santa Teresa changes for the block swapping terminal come in under budget they will fill that very short gap at Thermal in.
Although, if they follow the CN “formula”, one would expect more long sidings and extension of existing sidings on the Sunset Route east of El Paso, on the former Texas & Pacific, and on the Golden State Route over the next several years.
UP has a lot of double track segments on many other routes, but those three are largely single track per their 2018 Fact Book (scroll down to page 4 of 39).
https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@investor/documents/investordocuments/pdf_up_2018_investor_fact_book.pdf
kgbw49K.P. has indicated the siding at Mecca is being extended in his last post. [.... transposition ....] Would that indicate the need for two long sidings in the 45-mile gap Sentinel to Estrella, and two long sidings between Glamis and MP 715?
I'm very puzzled about the need to extend Mecca siding since it is only 4.5 miles from the end of 2MT at CP Thermal. I measured the distance between 4th Street and Thobe Road (grade crossings) and it is barely 15k feet - not the 16k feet mentioned for the Gila sub siding extensions. Hmmm.
Likewise, Mortmar siding is only 2.3 miles from CP Salton and is bound by grade crossings. Perhaps the Mecca 'extension' is a precursor to finishing 2MT from Thermal to about MP 628 (CP Thermal-Salton midpoint) - about seven miles of new track and two CPs eliminated.
By the above 'logic', 8500 ft Clyde siding might be extended. This is will be hard to monitor since it is so isolated, and KPH has not mentioned owning an Off Highway Vehicle. Glamis siding spans a major highway and should be a non-starter.
As mentioned above, Piedra, Bosque (between Sentinel and Estrella) and Aztec sidings are being extended. This breaks up the single track sections between 'super' sidings and 2MT blocks to less than 20 miles. Don't overlook Gila Bend siding - about 17K feet but bisected by a grade crossing - I call it a passing (not resting) siding.
How this all works out remains to be seen .....
ccltrains, thank you for that accounting!
Question for discussion:
Would that indicate the need for two long sidings in the 45-mile gap Sentinel to Estrella, and two long sidings between Glamis and MP 715?
K.P. has indicated the siding at Mecca is being extended in his last post.
Thanks again!
There has not been any track laying on the Sunset route for a while. I have compiled, with KP's help, what I think is the status of the double tracking. I based my analysis on SPV maps and occasionally there was not a MP or name available. There is an error in the milage between Pomona and Ontario that I cannot resolve hence the ???.
Going from east to west:
Double tracked:
CP SP 827 to MP 1298.5: Eastern suburbs of El Paso to Estrella
CP Stanwix to CP 831 Sentinel
CP SP 785 to CP SP 796 Mohawk
CP 753 Dome to CP SP 771 Wellton
CP SP 743 to Blaisdell
East portal Colorado River bridge to CP SP 738
West portal Colorado River bridge to MP 715
MP 636.6 to Glamis (Mesquite)
CP AL 533 Sierra to Thermal
CP AL 521 Pomona to MP 521.1 North Ontario (???)
On the LA&SL Sub all double tracked from Los Angeles to Pomona
Single track:
CP 831 Sentinentel to MP 876.1 Estrella
CP SP 796 Mohawk to SP 818 Stanwix
CP SP 771 Wellton to CP 785 Colfred
Blaisdell to CP SP 753 Dome
CP SP 738 to CP SP 743
Bridge over Colorado River
Glamis (Mesquite) to MP 715.0
Thermal to MP 636.6
MP 521.1 North Ontario to CP AL 533 Sierra
Los Angles to Pomona on Alhambra Sub
kgbw49 K.P., you are the Sunset Route Swami! Thanks for another top shelf, top-notch update!
K.P., you are the Sunset Route Swami! Thanks for another top shelf, top-notch update!
To all:
I’m retired now, and don’t have a computer, believe it or not in Hemet. I’ve been called back to work more than I wish, most often for graveyard dispatching, and I do have a computer accessible there with plenty of time to kill! So …
Note to K.P. Harrier: Congratulations! On your retirement ! Another step in a bittersweet ride... Many of us here have enjoyed your tales "RE: Sunset Route Two-Tracking Updates." It might even be considered your Magnum Opus. It is most important now, to keep interested and occupied. This Thread certainly qualifies as an important step in the Interest Dept., and working part-time at something you seem to enjoy; equally important.
So keep us 'Updated' [RE: Sunset Route Two-Tracking Updates.]
Best of Luck and Thanks!
Thanks KP. The block swap proposed for Santa Teresa is to combine common loads arriving from the three easterly UP lines into larger trains for the continued westward movement of those commodities (loads). This reduces the number of trains leaving Teresa westward and thence allows those trains which arrived from the east to be turned at Teresa.
This explanation is much simpler than, I presume, what will take place.
Glimpses and Revelations!
A Revealing Trip Monday May 20
and Tuesday May 21, 2019
California to Maricopa, AZ and Back
Eastwardly, two areas of Sunset Route activity were observed, the Mecca, CA (east of Indio) and the Bosque, AZ (east of Gila Bend) areas. This update will be on a westward overview basis, starting in Arizona. As for the California scene, it was seen to be way, way different than expected – so brace yourself when we get to that area ….
Arizona signals all have been converted to the color light types, EXCEPT five sidings all in a row, Shawmut (the east end of the five), Bosque, Gila Bend, Theba, and Pedra (the west end). Shawmut currently has new signals erected, but heads turned away.
The Bosque siding is being extended eastward by an estimated 1.3 miles (note the grading).
A new extending siding bridging has been installed just east of the current east switch Bosque, with grading also present.
Above, note the old target signal.
It is unknown if that new Vena guy from Canadian National will do any two-tracking in Arizona, but the focus seems to be on lengthening sidings
In California, the Mecca siding WILL BE (i.e., near future) extended westward, with signals already erected by the east side of 4th Street, but NO grading has been performed.
Above, while previously a second-track section (only a section) was laid through the grade crossing (above lower photo left), it apparently will not be used, at least at this time.
At 62nd Ave. the mast for the relatively new signals had a west side eastbound lower head added (black, turned aside still), apparently for an advance yellow over yellow to enter the extended Mecca siding to the east of this location.
That concrete tied panel track on the northeast side of 62nd Ave. mentioned last report seems to be not for a second track, but only to replace the present concrete tied track through the grade crossing. But, we will have to wait and see what happens to make sure.
A mile or so to the west of 62nd Ave., at the end of two-tracks, at Thermal, the short-length CP presently gives no evidence of being upgraded to a high speed switch.
Just a note eastward from the Mecca siding, about 8-9 miles, is the Mortmar CTC siding. It is 8483 feet long. Basically, at EACH end of the said siding is an important grade crossing. So, that siding cannot reasonably be lengthened at either end. Will it be taken out of service? Just used for shorter long trains?
Reportedly, a ‘block swop’ facility will be built at or near Santa Teresa, NM (haven’t we heard THAT before?). K.P. is not clear on exactly what UP intends to swop at Santa Teresa if such is built. Does UP intend of swop Intermodals there? Well and fine. Boxcar traffic? The boxcar counterpart departure tracks at West Colton Yard in the Colton, CA area I think are only about 9500 feet long, and there is not much or not at all room for lengthening possible on the west end. And, it is questionable to extend a departure track eastward, perhaps via a new third-track on the Colton Flyover, because doing so cuts off the BNSF Connector a few blocks west of Colton Crossing. Anybody have any juicy facts and / or insight on this?
The Maricopa, AZ Report
The Highway 347 overpass construction just east of the Amtrak station is moving along striking fast.
The CZ Car (and more Highway 347 Overpass Views)
The ex-California Zephyr car CB&Q Silver Horizon had been moved earlier this year to its new location a few blocks away (east) along the Maricopa-Casa Grande Highway, leaving a gapping emptiness at its old location by the Amtrak depot and by the under construction Highway 347 overpass..
K.P. does not anticipate a revisit to the area for months, so it is hoped this brief update will be sufficient for the forum.
This is the end of this update.
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K.P.,
Well, well, well. I now see I have company. You see, *I* don't have a computer, either. The only way I can post anything on here is if I use my desktop at work (or, go to the library which I rarely do).
However, having said all that, WHAT is "graveyard dispatching"? That could actually mean several different things. You work at a cemetary and plan and "dispatch" plots?
Or, you work at an RV company dispatching RV's to ship on third trick? Or, are you slaving over a CTC board on third trick?
At any rate, whatever you're doing, if you had to come out of retirement, business must be good!
Regards,
Fred M. Cain
Here’s a better photo of that new, not activated yet intermediate signal east of the two-masts on a box signal east of the Mecca siding, taken by my colleague two or three weeks earlier than mine.
Above, the future lower east, right side westbound (for leftward travel) head likely will be a single lamp head, either a lower green for two-tracks ahead or a lower yellow for the Mecca siding if it will remain.
My previously posted somewhat blurry, darkening light and angled photo of the same signal (to jog the forum’s memory):
Replies
Fred M. Cain (5-9):
The signals you did not know what kind they were (the right heads for westward, leftward movement) are simply intermediates in advance of an absolute for a turnout. That weird two-mast one on a box would display yellow over yellow if the next signal ahead was red over yellow to go into the Mecca siding, otherwise the intermediate’s lower right head would always be dark..
tree68 (5-9):
On UP a single light head over a three lamp unit typically is used at the end of two-tracks, for the turnout (or is it turn-in) route, and is an absolute.
On UP, typically a three lamp head over a single lamp head is as described to Mr. Cain in the reply just above.
If, as you say, those yellow flags typically are for utilities, it makes one wonder why they are present now.
steve24944 (5-12):
With THIS single post of several replies, your question was answered in the reply to Fred M. Cain. Hope it made sense.
jeffhergert (5-12):
That strange two masts on an electrical box signal is the first signal (the RIGHT heads for leftward, or westbound travel) in advance of the Mecca siding, with a 30 M.P.H. switch, so that strange advance signal displays yellow over yellow when the east siding CP displays red over yellow.
So you, Jeff, can understand the area trackage, two-tracks from the west end at Thermal, and two-tracks resumes at Salton towards the east, with single-track between them. In that single-track section, an eastbound train will first pass the Mecca siding, then after another single-track stretch will pass the Mortmar siding, with another single-track stretch before Salton is reached.
Best wishes to everyone,
K.P.
Fred M Cain K. P. Harrier Less than a mile east of the above two-masts on a signal box, that new signal reported recently was found and photographed for the forum’s benefit. I honestly do not know what kind of a signal this is. I doubt that the bottom head has three aspects and might not even two aspects. This could quite possibly be some kind of a high-water detector or something. I used to know and understand the old SPTCo signals like the back of my right hand but times have changed with the UP. At first they didn't change much but later they did. Regards, Fred M. Cain
K. P. Harrier Less than a mile east of the above two-masts on a signal box, that new signal reported recently was found and photographed for the forum’s benefit.
Less than a mile east of the above two-masts on a signal box, that new signal reported recently was found and photographed for the forum’s benefit.
I honestly do not know what kind of a signal this is. I doubt that the bottom head has three aspects and might not even two aspects. This could quite possibly be some kind of a high-water detector or something.
I used to know and understand the old SPTCo signals like the back of my right hand but times have changed with the UP. At first they didn't change much but later they did.
The bottom head is a single aspect, probably displays green and flashing green in conjunction with the top head. If that's the case, then the only time the bottom head would be lit is to display the yellow over flashing green or yellow over green aspects.
The only other single aspect lower heads I've seen in my area would be to display a yellow in conjunction with the top head, yellow over yellow - approach diverging. They usually don't use approach diverging in advance of the higher speed turnouts, those capable of 50 or 60 mph speeds. Prefering instead the approach clear 60 and/or approach clear 50.
Often on the 70 mph exCNW main, approaching a crossover with a 50mph turnout, the first signal (conditions permitting) is the approach clear 60, then the approach clear 50, and then the diverging clear at the turnout.
Jeff
K. P. HarrierThat panel track above could be just a replacement section, or for a new second track through the 62nd Ave. grade crossing.
Whatever the project at 62nd Ave is, UP is in no hurry. Street view shows that it has been there since Nov 2018.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5985909,-116.1023949,3a,30y,141.01h,86.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_LJC-WzuvR1TOcPIriaF-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
One thing not mentioned is that one of those unusual signals also resides here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5985931,-116.1026531,3a,37.5y,21.76h,91.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shJRbzIKW3RYL_fWMjSLO5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The MP on the box shows the location as about 1.4 miles from CP Thermal - close for an intermediate signal.
Usually, the single head is above the multi-lamp head, setting up a slow or medium speed situation.
Need the timetable to know for sure.
Those yellow (or other colors) flags usually mark existing utilities.
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Part “A” (of A-B)
East of the Mecca siding, at Thobe Road, a new grade crossing electrical box has been put in (right).
East of the Mecca siding, as was done adjacent Salton Sea a number years back BEFORE that area was two-tracked, a strange temporary two masts signal box has been present east of Mecca for some time now, arguing that the Thermal-Mecca area may be in the early stages of being two-tracked
Above, light was failing, so the photo is slightly blurry. But, it has a single-head facing west (towards the camera), and two heads facing east, with the lower head not as of now present yet, only the piping bracket for it.
A single-track wooden bridge just a bit further to the east with yellow marker flags in the wash area. Again, are they for burying cables?
At this point in time it is not clear what is happening, if two-tracking is taking place, just an upgrading of things, or what. Hopefully, K.P. can get out that way in the next two or three months and hopefully more developments will be present and it will be obvious what is transpiring.
End of series.
On the afternoon of Tuesday, May 7, 2018 K.P. traveled from his base in Hemet, CA all the way to the Thermal-Mecca area northwest of Salton Sea in southern California to check out a report of some kind of signal installation activity on the Sunset Route. He found the new single-mast signals alright, but more significantly, in the Thermal area some kind of preliminary grading for vehicle usage and yellow marker flags were present!
At 62nd Ave. looking westbound:
On the above photo, not only is the yellow flags present, note the yellow aerial pipeline marker on the left.
Some at this forum may remember a photo by Salton Sea years ago of a lengthy digging taking place and a cable being buried by UP workers way before two-tracking came to that area. It has to be wondered if that above photo is in preparation for a like signal cable to be buried.
Looking east from 62nd Ave., the grading seems to go only a few hundred feet more and stops.
At this point in time, it is unknown if this is some kind of two-tracking effort, or the buried pipeline is possibly being relocated.
Again, two possibilities seem to arise with a section of track on the northeast side of the grade crossing from which the above two photos were taken from:
That panel track above could be just a replacement section, or for a new second track through the 62nd Ave. grade crossing. K.P. has long felt the new, second track would be laid on the north side here, with the section of panel track positioned correctly. That suggests those yellow flags on the south side are for burying a signal cable.
Again from 62nd Ave., an eastward view, this time a telephoto of the Highway 86 overpass (formerly Highway S86) shows no grading or yellow flaging.
Since it is early on in this new development, if new two-tracking is in its earliest stages, it cannot be said if two-tracking will stop eastward at 62nd Ave. to go all the way to the Mecca siding.
Continued in Part B
Buried in a press release about UP closing yards in Chicago, they mention the longer sidings on the Sunset...
https://www.up.com/customers/announcements/CustomerNews/allcustomernews/CN2019-28.html
With PTC out of the way, maybe we'll finally see double-track aside from the Colorado River bridge...
Side note... I'm a lot less active here than on the Railroad.Net forums, and find they're a lot friendlier to navigate.
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=168006
kgbw49 (5-3):
kgbw49 K.P., great to hear from you! Approximately how many miles is the gap between Thermal and Mecca that you mentioned? Thanks for the intel!
K.P., great to hear from you! Approximately how many miles is the gap between Thermal and Mecca that you mentioned? Thanks for the intel!
That distance between Thermal and Mecca switch to switch is roughly 4.3 miles, plus or minus.
Interestingly, in the Mecca area, WEST of the Mecca siding, the 4th Street grade crossing has had a second track laid in the grade crossing for some time.
https://goo.gl/maps/3yRQq8zyEwJKzpW47
Fred M Cain Jeff, But are those eastern rules or western rules? There used to be a difference. I think the railroads that abided by eastern rules were governed by "NORAC" (or something). Out west they used a different set of rules and I cannot recall what the called it. For example, the yellow over flashing green you mentioned used to be in my old Conrail ETT but I don't think it was in any of my SPTCo timetables. Yellow over green on the SP was "approach diverging clear" and the engineer had to know what the speed limit of the accompanying turnout was - I think. *OR* have all those rules been merged in to one now? I guess what I really remember is a bit dated now going back to the '90s. Regards, FMC
Jeff,
But are those eastern rules or western rules? There used to be a difference. I think the railroads that abided by eastern rules were governed by "NORAC" (or something). Out west they used a different set of rules and I cannot recall what the called it.
For example, the yellow over flashing green you mentioned used to be in my old Conrail ETT but I don't think it was in any of my SPTCo timetables.
Yellow over green on the SP was "approach diverging clear" and the engineer had to know what the speed limit of the accompanying turnout was - I think.
*OR* have all those rules been merged in to one now? I guess what I really remember is a bit dated now going back to the '90s.
FMC
Those are UP system signal rules. UP uses General Code of Operating Rules (GCOR) over it's entire system. GCOR is used by multiple railroads, but doesn't specify signals, leaving the signal names, aspects and indications up to the individual railroads. BNSF also uses GCOR, but some signals are different from UP.
Fred M Cain K.P., Absolutely! Welcome back! Two heads on a mast could mean two different things. Perhaps they are going to install a new siding west of Mecca. Or, it could also be to add a new "advance diverging" signal for a siding to be installed still further west. The way I understand this, a yellow over green aspect is something like "advance diverging clear" or a yellow over yellow is "advance diverging approach" or something like that. Regards, Fred M. Cain
Absolutely! Welcome back!
Two heads on a mast could mean two different things. Perhaps they are going to install a new siding west of Mecca. Or, it could also be to add a new "advance diverging" signal for a siding to be installed still further west.
The way I understand this, a yellow over green aspect is something like "advance diverging clear" or a yellow over yellow is "advance diverging approach" or something like that.
Yellow over flashing green - approach clear 60 - proceed, prepared to pass next signal not exceeding 60 mph.
Yellow over green - approach clear 50 - proceed. prepared to pass next signal not exceeding 50 mph.
Yellow over yellow - approach diverging - proceed prepared to take the diverging route at next signal, not exceeding the prescibed speed through the turnout.
Generally on the newer high speed (40 - 50 - 60 mph) turnouts they don't use the approach diverging. Older installations may still have it.
Love the nickname! That sounds like a nickname General Patton would have had for General Montgomery!
Fred M. Cain (5-2), MikeF90 (5-2) and all:
The speculations relative to that new, not activated yet signals on a single mast east of the Mecca siding is somewhat premature, though what was fielded is something to think about. May I suggest, however, that that single mast is not a relocation, but directly related to that new guy with a long history at CN that retired from there that the UP CEO recruited. Since the future Brazos Yard has been basically put on hold and the hundreds of millions of dollars reallocated for Vena’s use for new tracks, at least as I understand things, why don’t we just wait a month or two and see what happens. As MikeF90 pointed out, the 30 M.P.H switch at the present end of two-tracks at Thermal is an operating thorn. Perhaps Vena will high-speed switch it, and extend the Mecca siding a mile. But, then, why not just two-track Thermal-Mecca? I suppose the thing to watch for is grading! On the other hand, the least expensive thing to do is just high speed switch Thermal, do away with the Mecca and Mortmar sidings (the latter is helmed in with grade crossings at each end), and space signals three miles apart. A lot of possibilities … and time will reveal them …
As far as Arizona, I got the feeling two-tracking is over, and Vena will just extend a few sidings, possibly four or five mile a few.
Another “route” to watch is the Los Angeles & Salt Lake, which could be more interesting than the Sunset Route. Now that for more the most part is ripe for big money allocations, especially in the Nevada and Utah areas! And while the Sunset Route is the most direct route from Colton to Pomona, the Colton-Riverside-Pomona Los Angeles & Salt Lake has much that is already two-tracked.
What is in Mr. Vena’s mind will eventually make itself manifest. Until then, we will just have to wait.
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