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[quote user="greyhounds"][quote user="futuremodal"][quote user="jeaton"] Even the GAO report notes an uncertainty about the number of captive shippers.  " It is difficult to determine the number of captive shippers,.." [/quote] Difficult?  Sure, if one is too lazy to go out and make a physical count of all the rail shippers who have physical access to only one railroad.  I think if those beauracrats would get off their fat **** and make the physical counts, we'd find actual captive shippers to be much, much more than what the GAO is willing to admit. Memo to GAO:  It's easy to find an actual count of captive rail shippers- any rail shipper with only one physical connection to a Class I rail service provider is captive.  Doesn't matter if they "can" ship by truck or barge, or use multiple modes, or not, or if they can modify production to fit the lack of desired rail service, or not.  Having only one physical connection is captive, period. [/quote] So, according to FM, the Exxon-Mobile refinery near Joliet, Illinois, which is served by barges on the commercially navigable Des Plaines River, is adjacent to Interstate 55, and has Lord Knows how many pipeline hook ins - is, acording to him, "captive" to the railroad. It isn't.  A fool could see that.  FM doesn't see that.  Is there a status in life of being "less than a fool"? [/quote] Anyone with more than a double digit IQ could see that those different modes ship different products from that refinery for the most part, and those products are all bound for different places.  Barges are limited to waterways, so anything bound for non-waterway locales must go by rail or pipeline.  Pipelines can only carry certain bulk items, not the speciality items.  Thus for specific products, the refinery near Joliet is a captive situation if it only has one Class I rail connection. Gee, we went over this a while back, when the double digit crowd erroneously claimed that pipelines and railroads carry the same things to the same places.  Either Ken forgot, or he just couldn't grasp it. So yes, Ken, you are what you typed.[D)]
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