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[quote user="Mookie"] Good or bad manners are not Victorian.  It is what sets us apart from animals.  We allow animals to do in public what people should not. I don't advocate puritanical standards, but I don't like the total freedom standard either.  My bet is you don't either.[/quote] No I was not meaning to imply that good manners are "Victorian" by them selves. My appologies if that is what I led you to believe But, the uptight apprehension and self loathing over what others might think of "us" sure is Victorian. That old "If it feels good, and you dare do it anyway, then you must be punished" head trip. Hey, I'm not trying to advocate that everyone needs to run right out and break wind at your local shopping mall, But at the same time, some poor guy faced with a sudden gas attack, if he's so uptight worried about what others might think of him that he walks straight legged and locked cheeked, in misery, trying to reach the nearest exit, then there is definitely something wrong with that picture.  we're all just human, no matter how much some would like us to believe that their excrement is not malodorous And as far as your speculating that I myself am not a fan of total freedom either, well of course you are right. I think that when those crazy Jehova's witnesses come hammering on my door at ten AM, I should be allowed to give them the iron boot to help them on their way out. The courts say I can't expect to have things quite that far my way, really bummer.  Guess a man's home is not his castle after all?
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