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What a lousy way to end a good day.

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What a lousy way to end a good day.
Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:34 PM

I was having a relatively decent day today and then I went onto Railpictures.net and then saw this photo of several old BN E-9 commuter units being scrapped...what a real bummer for somebody who spent years watching these venerable units pound up and down the "racetrack"...may they live in memory forever.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:00 PM
If things (and people) didn't die, why would we celebrate and embrace life?
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Posted by cherokee woman on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:01 PM
That is a bummer.  You'd think that maybe a historical society would maybe appropriate one or two, and renovate them.Sad [:(]
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Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:21 PM

I don't know which is worse, seeing what I just saw in this picture, or seeing a historic locomotive, whether it be steam or diesel, sitting in a park and taking a lot of abuse from worthless punks who get their kicks out of vandalizing things. There is a former BN U-Boat, possibly an x-CB&Q unit, in a park in Gillette, Wyoming which I photographed a few years ago and it is in sad, sad shape. It's headlights are gone and the cab was heavily vandalized.Sad [:(]Angry [:(!]Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:13 PM
Ya just think what the SD40-2's and the SD70MAC's will go through when their time is up.Sad [:(]
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:52 PM

Look on the bright side.

All that steel might just be recycled into some nice new six-axle superpower locos.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:47 AM
They were old friends for me, too.   No diesels made today are as beautiful as the EMD E and F units, the Alco PA's and DL-109's, and the Baldwin Sharks.   They may be much better locomotives, today, but they cannot hold a candle as far as looks go.   To relieve your sadness, though, take a look at the photograph in the March TRAINS of the restored to PRR paint of the two E-units on the disabled veteran's Army-Navy game special.   A beautiful photograph of a beautiful idea beatifully implemented.
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Posted by Railfan1 on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:42 AM

How about that Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio loco.

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Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:11 AM

 rrnut282 wrote:
If things (and people) didn't die, why would we celebrate and embrace life?

Confused [%-)] Wow rrnut282, that is just way too deep for me this early in the morning, perhaps after a second mug of coffee?

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Posted by rrnut282 on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:51 AM

Sorry, I was already on my third cup when I wrote that.  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:55 AM
Seeing the pictures from a scrap yard is a useful reminder that nothing lasts forever.  I got a similar taste when I saw BRC's C424's and S6 out of service at Clearing pending sale.  Most of them were sold for further service but that wasn't guaranteed at the time.  I quickly made my peace with the fact that BRC was modernizing its motive power and now I enjoy watching SD40/slug sets on the hump, RC-equipped GP38-2's, SW1500's and MP15's in pulldown duty and SD40's or paired GP38-2's on transfers.  The Alcos and cow-calves are gone, but I still enjoy watching BRC perform.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:55 PM

It's not all bad news though.

On the bright side there are, literally, a bunch of E8s and some E9s that have been saved from the scrappers torch.  Unfortunately those two prime movers under the carbody make E units very expensive locomotives to maintain.

Remember the New York Central E units that were in that railroad museum in Tennessee?  The museum could not afford to maintain them and are now with another owner.

I think I know how you feel as I'm an E unit fan myself.

 

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Posted by kevikens on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:04 PM
I agree that the covered wagon units were among the most beautful locomotives ever to run in any railroad's livery. E's, F'f, PA's FA's, DL's. I understand the reasoning for the GP hood designs for freight but why couldn't the newer passenger units be made to look like the earlier units. Why could AMTRAK not have ordered a cab unit that didn't look like an aardvark ? I mean does a modern passenger locomotive have to be ugly to operate efficiently ?
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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:55 PM
I agree.   If I am ever in a position of influence and need to order passenger diesel locomotives, I assure you I will do everything possible to make them look like E or F units with bulldog noses or like E5's and E6's with the longer slant version.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:22 PM

 daveklepper wrote:
I agree.   If I am ever in a position of influence and need to order passenger diesel locomotives, I assure you I will do everything possible to make them look like E or F units with bulldog noses or like E5's and E6's with the longer slant version.

Price is the reason why it won't happen, even for you.  The compound curves of the bulldog nose are difficult to fabricate and include a fair amount of body putty in the final product.  Alco's flat nose, on the other hand, was designed with assembly practices in mind.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:10 PM

Jim, when and where was that taken?

I know that a few of the BN E9s were preserved.  I guess we should be thankful for the rebuilding program that extended the lifetime of all of them in the 1970s or 1980s.

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Posted by Railfan1 on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:31 PM

What year were these taken out of service? All at one time? What replaced these?

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:39 PM

I, too, like the looks of the EMD E7s and it's brethren; something right and pleasing about the lines they have.  The earlier E6s, and the others with the slanty noses, seem a bit too 'snooty', sort of aristocratic.

But for rugged beauty, the ALCO PAs stand alone.  I was modeling the steam era on my HO scale railroad, but I just had to have an Athearn PA.  It's not in GM&O colors but it does sport the ATSF Warbonnet scheme, a railroad that was involved significantly in my travels and work locations, Illinois and New Mexico. 

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Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:54 PM
 CShaveRR wrote:

Jim, when and where was that taken?

I know that a few of the BN E9s were preserved.  I guess we should be thankful for the rebuilding program that extended the lifetime of all of them in the 1970s or 1980s.

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Posted by eolafan on Thursday, February 1, 2007 5:28 AM
Here they are on a much better day in 1992...oh the memories!n
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Posted by Railfan1 on Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:37 AM

Nice picture.

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Posted by ndbprr on Thursday, February 1, 2007 8:40 AM
There are those of us that find the BN usage of E units in commuter service a sacriledge.  They were designed to run flat out in wide open spaces.  Kind of like using a race horse to pull a milk wagon. That being said, BN tried to unload them for years.  Several were bought.  Two I know of became the CN and IC units. What should they do with the rest?  The taxes on them alone resulted in their demise.  That's life. You'll get over it like I did with GG1's.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 1, 2007 8:42 AM

I happen to love the E's as well.  I had the privelege of riding in a couple not long ago and discovered firsthand why they are not so popular with engine crews.  The first thing one notices is getting up into them.  It's a vertical climb on a narrow ladder into a fairly narrow door.  This makes straps on grips mandatory, although I have seen some pretty accurate throws into the door from the ground.

The other shortfall of the E's and F's is visibility.  There are mirrors hung outside the cab which give you a view of what is going on behind you, but it isn't easy to see behind you.   You can crank down the side window like a car (it's manual, not electric.  There IS a crank) and stick your head out, but it is much easier on a hood unit just to swivel around and look out the window behind you.

I also got to observe a pair of F's being coupled up and MU'd.  The control lines appeared to be fairly easy to access, but the large power line (?) ran from a socket to the right of the rear door of the engine room to a matching location on the other unit.  I watched an engineer climb a ladder on the back of the unit and wedge himself between them as he wrestled with the power line. 

To add fuel to the fire of the continuing EMD vs. GE controversy, the maintenance guys on this railroad swear by EMD's.  They said that the EMD's were built tough and heavy.  Parts for the F units were running thin, so I'd love to know where those units in the picture were taken.  I would suspect that they had been stripped long ago of useable stuff, but you never know.

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Posted by n012944 on Thursday, February 1, 2007 10:15 AM

 ndbprr wrote:
. That being said, BN tried to unload them for years.  Several were bought.  Two I know of became the CN and IC units. What should they do with the rest?  The taxes on them alone resulted in their demise.  .

 

They did.  The BN sold them in the early 1970's, to a commuter group that owned and maintained the locomotives.  It was an early version of the RTA, except the group was just for the BN line.

 

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