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[quote user="MichaelSol"]I am sure the misunderstanding is the result of the usual careful attention to detail, but unless he moved recently, Futuremodal lives in the State of Washington, which does, in fact, have heavily urbanized areas and which is, in fact, dominated politically by the "People's Republic of King County." For whatever it's worth, a slightly different perspective than "Idaho." [/quote] Clarification - I am a resident of the State of Idaho, but the family farm is across the border in Washington. None of which has any bearing on one's ability to debate open access vs closed access vs nationalization vs privatization vs franchising vs integrated operations vs *profitable* passenger trains vs overtaxed road users.  Being there does not instantly make one an expert on the economic fallout of the move from nationalization to privatization, with or without separation, with or without franchising.  I am quite quite familiar with the Seattle area transporation situation.  If the British urbanside is anything like the Puget Sound, the problems may have the same root cause:  Not enough dispersed redundancy in the road system.  Passenger rail is not the answer, it only adds to the problems.  And it's the "problems" that keep the *elected* officials seemingly engaged from the public perception perspective.
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