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How you feel of Reno-s new track layouts?

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How you feel of Reno-s new track layouts?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 9:29 PM
Like to hear how you guys felt about Renos new track alignments--any comments?
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Posted by greyhounds on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 11:48 PM

 denverhank wrote:
Like to hear how you guys felt about Renos new track alignments--any comments?

I don't know, I haven't seen it.

I liked the old "layout" just fine.  Nothing like watching the helpers go by headed for Donner while standing in the middle of Reno.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:00 AM

well I heard some of the tracks are underground now--I be there and get close look at it on oct16th. Got all the donner series dvds and videos. But be much different now.

 

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Posted by WP 3020 on Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:21 AM
The only reason I might tot like it is because I was able to get that night shot of a train under the arch. But that's the way it goes. Other than, it dosn't bother me.
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Posted by Kevin C. Smith on Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:30 AM
I miss seeing the city right outside my car window but I like getting the people/trains safely seperated in such a busy area. I realize people are stupid enough to do anything but a stationary train on a busy pedestrian crossing is asking for trouble. Still, I remember the California State Railroad Museum volunteers beginning/ending their narration of the Reno-Sacramento part of the trip by recalling the New Year's Day floods of 1999(date?). Seems too close to the river to put a 30 foot deep trench. I recall that an elevated ROW was proposed in 1942 but never built. If it was my world to run, I'd have preferred that-though Reno has obviously built up a lot since WW2.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:58 AM

You know Kevin --I was thinkin about that also even tho it remains for me to look at yet. Your exactly right by saying is too close to the river that can often flood. Isnt it about 3-4 blocks away? All you need to disrupt is one good storm and you have a mess on your hands.

 In comparison reasons look at it this way---I feel the higher arch platform would been the better choice. They seem to have no problem building casino domes and the like-why not the same for the rails? Spending some extra money for that and you be in better shape rather than facing an possible diaster. As time goes this is going be quite interesting to see what happens.

 Reno is an charm city and always held an special love for me but, the direction way they going  is not what the people wanted it.

 

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Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:15 AM
My opinion is it was a much needed improvement. Every time a long train would go through at 10-15 mph it would tie up traffic for at least 10 minuets. Especially Virginia and Sierra streets. Now they can fly through there at track speed. So much for the shots with "the biggest little city" arch in it though. I stayed a couple nights in a hotel overlooking the tracks / trench construction last year (can't remember the name but it is the one west of the El Dorado). Had a great view of the temporary tracks. It was pretty bizzare seeing autorack cars going through allys barely wide enough for the train. And as for the flooding, the trench is equipt with lift stations to pump out water. Otherwise it would become a long, narrow lake.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:00 AM

Yes I believe it did good job on the traffic tieup and been thru that.  Good points Chad about the water flow--but knoowing how raging the truckie can get--may not be completely enough to avert big mess if major rager comes.

Case in point here--we just had our 30th thompson flood anniversary here and nothing worked to avert death and destruction still. Pumping stations helps but still cant completely ease the beast when nature wants do her thing.

Might add this too---- Last time was there was when the new station was just completed and the ground work was just underway. Did stayed at circus hotel. Sure looking forward to going in October again and probadly will take good pix of new stuff.  Yep Reno is my good luck spot. still remains a charm after all these years.

 

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Posted by Kevin C. Smith on Friday, August 11, 2006 2:44 AM
 denverhank wrote:

I feel the higher arch platform would been the better choice. They seem to have no problem building casino domes and the like-why not the same for the rails? Spending some extra money for that and you be in better shape rather than facing an possible diaster. As time goes this is going be quite interesting to see what happens.

I seem to recall that the objection to the elevation was that it was felt the embankment would divide the city-visually, at least. I can understand the concern. I think the elevated approch to the PRR's old Broad Street Station in Philadelphia was nicknamed the "Chinese Wall" and in Chicago, the area to the west of North Western Station was quite a different looking neighborhood than the block east of it. (Note: I do not mean the Ogilvie Transportation Center. North Western Station it was built, North Western Sation is how I remember it and North Western Station it always shall be. Sorry-just a rant I had to get out of my system...)

Also, now that the trench is operating-does Amtrak still stop at Sparks for servicing? I can't recall if they did or not on my last trip.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 11, 2006 5:17 AM
I believe they are using reno now as the servicing spot. Pretty sure they do as I recalled last time they didnt stop at sparks on way back from sac.  Sparks as I recalled no longer wanted amtrak to use them cause of past troubles and rights. However I will know the whole show from my tix window buddies at den station when I buy the reno ticket again. I know this also is true that there was quite a frued going on between sparks and amtrak. AAHHH at end month I will know the story well.  Thanks for your feed.  (( actually sp was the barker))
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 11, 2006 5:31 AM
Any one wants or know the scoup now feel free to comment.
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Posted by zgardner18 on Friday, August 11, 2006 2:38 PM

The middle of last month I brought up this same conversation because at the end of my visit to Tahoe, my little family stayed at the El Dorado to shorten the travel time to the airport since our flight was heading out at 6am.  We got back into Reno about 6, had dinner, then drove up and down along side the tracks for over a half an hour trying to see at least one trains to my my son happy.  No luck so we checked in.  I was able to upgrade to the 8th floor suite with a view of the corridor.  The rest of the night I spent with my face pressed against the glass hoping to catch a look at anything in that ditch.  Nothing came until the next morning when it was time to head out, I heard a train.  Turns out that even from the 8th floor I still couldn't see the passing train.  It was too deep.  The whole experience pissed me off, but I learned my lesson and will make sure that my room next time will be higher.

I think that it is a neat peice of railroad engineering, and very good for the city. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 11, 2006 3:15 PM
Never know how this trainbug can get u going. Had a simular experience with circus circus once. But sure doesnt hurt being bitten by this bug. Looking forward seeing this reno marvel in 65 days now.  cant wait!!!!!! Thanks for your feed.
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Posted by chad thomas on Friday, August 11, 2006 3:37 PM

I've been thinking about the Sparks question. I have spent a lot of time at Sparks (although many years ago) and I dont ever remember the 5 or 6 ever being serviced in Sparks. The Reno Fun Train from the bay area would get serviced there though. But that was only a weekly train.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 11, 2006 3:59 PM
 chad thomas wrote:

I've been thinking about the Sparks question. I have spent a lot of time at Sparks (although many years ago) and I dont ever remember the 5 or 6 ever being serviced in Sparks. The Reno Fun Train from the bay area would get serviced there though. But that was only a weekly train.

They sure did before the new stuff went in.  Often delays there like up to hr sometimes cause of servicing.  Ha one time gotten off and went to nugget and played some video poker even. And I did win 55 bucks for that short run briefer. Also looking at the old shack wasnt so pretty either.
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Posted by chad thomas on Friday, August 11, 2006 4:03 PM
I guess I just wasn't there at the right time.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 11, 2006 4:21 PM
I believe that was in 97 or so when it was stuck in sparks going east for almost 3 hrs. Had bad rains and snows was so bad over rockies had to use the wyoming route to get into denver that year.
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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Friday, August 11, 2006 6:09 PM

Part of the charm of Reno were the railroad tracks at street level bisecting the downtown area.  I always got a charge out of witnessing the imminent passing of a train as the crossing bells would first begin to ring, the flashers would come to life, and the gates would lower majestically thereby bringing automobile, truck, and pedestrian traffic along Virginia Street to a grinding halt.

And then came the "piece de resistance:" a long and heavy westbound mixed merchandise with two battalions of hard charging diesel locomotives - one on each end -  roaring at the top of their lungs as they put every bit of hustle muscle they had into their assault of the Sierras with big tonnage in tow.  Or equally as magnificent:  another mixed merchandise screaming in high dynamic as an assortment of dark-gray-and-scarlet colored steel stallions did their best to control the big tonnage pressing against them as the train advanced eastwards along the descending grade towards a crew change at nearby Sparks.  It was as fine a show full of drama and spectacle as one could ever hope to find anywhere along The Overland Route. 

No, dear friends, I cannot comprehend, any which way, how the newly opened "Reno Trench" could ever be seen as a civic improvement!      

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:28 AM
Lets keep this Reno train thread goin--any more good reno stories to be told?  Feel free to posts em!!!
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Posted by brad on Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:18 AM
No's 5 and 6 make only a passenger stop at Sparks, they no longer change crews at Sparks. Crew change has been moved to Reno.
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Posted by brad on Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:27 AM
The engineering feat was great. The new depot at Reno has much to be desired. The new depot is connected to the old depot, the only restrooms are in the old depot. The waiting area is downstairs in the new depot, seating is very limited, only one elevator, they have an escelator, but is not used most of the time.
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Posted by Kevin C. Smith on Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:40 AM

 denverhank wrote:
Lets keep this Reno train thread goin--any more good reno stories to be told?  Feel free to posts em!!!

What happens in Reno...stays in Reno!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:18 AM

Seems rather surprising how it is now. Guess has turned into watch fully your stuff or be gone. Thanks for the advance warning brad.

Am wondering does anyone have a pix of the trench? 

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