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Nanaimo - What's wrong with the Virginian 2-10-10-2s, with a starting tractive effort in simple operation of 176,000 pounds? They only operated for 30 years, and one of them longer than that. Santa Fe had 2-10-10-2s too, but they weren't in a class with the VGN engines. Or N&W's Y-5/Y-6 2-8-8-2, with 5600 DBHP and 166,000 pounds starting TE? How many of you, when visiting the transportation museum in St. Louis, walk right past N&W 2156 on your way to look at the UP 4-8-8-4? Big mistake. Or are you only interested in blockbuster specifications? And if you are, what puts the Espee 4-8-8-2/2-8-8-4s in your spotlight, with their starting TE of 124,000 pounds? The fact that the last one still exists? Your five groups puzzle me; engine weight, tractive effort, drawbar horsepower? These statistics mean little. The ones that mean the most are related to actual performance: Gross Ton Miles/Train Hour/Dollar (first cost, maintenance, fuel and water, crew costs, etc.). Put this equation to work and some of your groups don't look so good any more. Old Timer
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