QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car.
QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order
Originally posted by Mousy Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Kurn Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Akron,OH 229 posts Posted by Kurn on Saturday, September 17, 2005 7:06 AM If so many RR execs are in bed with Bush&Co.,shouldn't they be getting lots of funding,like Halliburton? If there are no dogs in heaven,then I want to go where they go. Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Saturday, September 17, 2005 8:22 AM That dude is and I would worn you all that and you should peg this needle to the left like I do Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:54 AM this reminds me I remember, my grandmother used to tell me a few stories from WW2. She said the trains full of people used to pass through her willage, they were crowded, people could barely breathe, and when the train stoped for a minute, people from the willage rushed to bring watter to these people. They were being transported like cattle, so the cars did have openings. It was a terrible sight, those people were there for an entire day, the didn't have toilet and were not let out until the train got the camps, so obviously they have to settle for a smelly alternative. The people from the willage gave them as much watter as they could before the train went on. A dark point in history Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:55 AM Yes they did. Stalin may have even more blood on his hands then Hilter does. [:(] Originally posted by SDR_North [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:50 PM We didn't fight the Russians in World War II. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien] Not so fast Lotus, I did some research, well clicked a couple of links that these odd-balls provided, The site these came from, this guy is all weirded out over chemtrails, has all kinds of military aircraft going over, of course he must have left out the fact he is near an air base. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? It is, you just have to listen or watch some history channel to get the info, old news isn't what the networks like to play. Didn't they teach that in your school? I remember learning about the Ruskies... Reply Edit ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:29 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien] Not so fast Lotus, I did some research, well clicked a couple of links that these odd-balls provided, The site these came from, this guy is all weirded out over chemtrails, has all kinds of military aircraft going over, of course he must have left out the fact he is near an air base. I noticed that he has "white%20boxcars" in the image locations. The dufus does not even recognized double stacked JB Hunt containers. That looks like it could be the BNSF line between Mojave and Barstow, which would put it next to Edwards AFB. I wonder if the whack-job that has been missing from here for a while /(and hopfully permenantly) is on this other forum. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Friday, September 23, 2005 6:16 PM And the numbers on these "boxcars" tell where they are to be routed? Does this mean that the number has to be repainted whenever these cars are loaded, and again when they are unloaded?This guy obviously knows absolutely NOTHING about railroads[:(!]! Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 23, 2005 6:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Because Hitler had become a synonime for Satan. People always mention his name as a symbol of evil. People always have to have simbols, that's how they are. Hitler is a vent where people channel all their disguist toward evil. A simbol. In reality there were many more people like Hitler, and many more even worse in history. Not to mention the countless people who agreed with hitler and actually did his dirty work. Every action of conquering other people's land is a crime, is stealing and is murdering. Yet some are heroes for such things as Napoleon or roman emperors, and others are devils like Hitler. But they are all coqerors, stealing land from other people and murdering those who try protect what is their own. Propaganda made Hitler something special. But in every war there are people like him. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:01 AM Yeah--what ever happened to the "shackle cars"? Those were a big laugh. Sincerely, Daniel Parks Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:42 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Because history is written by the winners. Also because Stalin didnt invade Europe triggering a massive world war. The internal events of the Stalinist Soviet era were closely guarded national secrets, there was no CNN or world wide web or digital camera telephones to spread information at the speed of light like we have today, all information, photography and news were tightly controlled by the central government. Stalin was able to commit these atrocities in almost complete secrecy, although as time went on, Stalin died, the survivors demanded to be heard, by the end of the communist era, while many in the west had already found out by the 1970's about the purges and pogroms commited under Stalin, many in the former Soviet Union didnt learn of these acts till after the Democratic Republic was re-established. Dont forget, during WW2, while Jewish groups in the US and England were trying to spread the word about the Holocaust that THEY knew was happening, our own governments kept silent for the most part, it wasnt until the camps were liberated, first by the Soviets, who were never shy to expose nazi atrocities in Russia, and released the shocking film footage of survivors and bodies piled up, that the world first really faced up to what the *** were capable of. When US troops first encountered the camps, many of them too were not ready psychologically for what they found, while many Jewish soldiers DID know what to expect from the Nazies, and would often exchange dogtags with dead christian soldiers if they were about to be captured, so they could avoid being sent directly to the death camps as they did with any Allied Jewish soldiers in direct violation of the Geneva convention. Have fun with your trains Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:56 AM Since we are talking about atracities commited by leaders lets not forget Mao Se Tung of China. During the Culturial revalution in teh 60's 100 million people died in china due to his poilces that is 5 times more than Hitler and Stalin combined. Yet how is are biggest trading partner China. In WW2 Japan was not excatly kind to POW's either. Japan's milatary at that time was led by the Rules of Bushido which means it is a disgrace to be taken prisanor and if you are you are lower than dirt. Japan has a memorial to the minature subs used in the Pearl Harbor attack. They used 5 of them and all five were sunk. Those subs had a crew of 2 yet only 9 are listed on the memorial why one of the submariners was captured. The Battan death march mean anything to you. 70000 US and Fillapinos captured and they were marched for 70 miles with no food or water and for kicks the gaurds used them for bayanet practice if you fell you were shot right then. Japan was a signer of the Geneva Convention and that is roughly how they treated our POWs. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:41 PM If we are going to discuss Japan as well, dont forget that part of the Bushido Code was the defense of the homeland in which US casualties were estimated to be 100, 000 dead before Japan would have been qwelled. The military leadership in Tokyo was deadfast ready to defend every last thicket and village, the people who had been raised during the last 30 years under a virttually military controlled government were ready and willing to die for the Emporer, kids were being taught how to roll under tanks with explosive packages and detonate themselves, women and old folks were being trained to fight with sharped wood spears. All estimators saw Okinawa ans a bloody preamble to the coming invasion which they estimated would have left 10,000,000 Japanese dead. Fortunatly for American soldiers, including many who had survived all the way to the Riechstag in Berlin and were now going to shipped to the Pacific theater for the coming invasion, the Manhattan Project was completed and Truman, to his credit, didnt hesitate to use it. Hiroshime and Nagasaki were sacrificed so the rest of Japan could live. But even this almost didnt happen, because after the bombs were dropped, the hardest mambers of the government didnt care, and still belived they should fight to the last citizen rather than surrender. The Emporer, having seen first hand what a thousand plane raid could do to Tokyo in one night ( more dead, burned to death, than at Hiroshima or Nagasaki) and what only one plane and one atomic bomb did, must have been haunted by the thought of a thousand planes carrying A-bombs and detroying every living thing in Japan, including himself! He over ruled his military government and ordered his people to "Bear the unbearable" and surrender, unconditionally. The government hardliners, to a man, commited suicide that very night. People love to debate the wisdom of using the A-bomb. But it did have these effects. 50% to 75% of the people living today in Japan today ARE living because we did not invade. If history is any guide, casualty estimates are never is high as the actual battle casualties. If 10 million Japanese citizens died because the A-bomb failed or was never used, how many japanese would their be today? The estimated 100,000 soldiers and their decendants of the allied soldiers slated to be casualties in the invasion forces are alive today, and continued post war to contribute to what Tom Brokaw called "the Greatest generation" and finally, in Using to A-bomb, was the MOST SOBERING EFFECT of all, seeing the horrors of what using the weapon could do, the shear distructiveness kept military leaders from using it as 1st choice battlefield weapon. When the Soviets got the bomb in 1947, with help from scientist who feared the US being the only nuclear power and using the threat of A-bomb attack to wield dictator like threats on other nations, the world moved into the "Cold War" era. but the FEAR of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD, proper title if their ever was one, no?) kept the peace, even thru the Cuban Missle Crisis, till the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990's. Something to think about eh? Have fun with your trains Reply potlatcher Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Bloom County 390 posts Posted by potlatcher on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:47 PM I think Gunderson does need to design a special car for the guy that came up with this theory - one that has a well padded interior. Tom Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:38 PM Could use old tank cars lined with foam? Have fun with your trains Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:18 PM Hellooooooo detective_peterfinder22 ...are you in there????? Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:16 PM When I first saw the Automax cars I was suspicious of the tiny airholes in the cars.Autobobiles don't need airholes but prisoners do![X-)]. It's amazing the kind of Bovine Scatology that one can find on the internet [alien]. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by SDR_North [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:50 PM We didn't fight the Russians in World War II. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien] Not so fast Lotus, I did some research, well clicked a couple of links that these odd-balls provided, The site these came from, this guy is all weirded out over chemtrails, has all kinds of military aircraft going over, of course he must have left out the fact he is near an air base. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? It is, you just have to listen or watch some history channel to get the info, old news isn't what the networks like to play. Didn't they teach that in your school? I remember learning about the Ruskies... Reply Edit ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:29 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien] Not so fast Lotus, I did some research, well clicked a couple of links that these odd-balls provided, The site these came from, this guy is all weirded out over chemtrails, has all kinds of military aircraft going over, of course he must have left out the fact he is near an air base. I noticed that he has "white%20boxcars" in the image locations. The dufus does not even recognized double stacked JB Hunt containers. That looks like it could be the BNSF line between Mojave and Barstow, which would put it next to Edwards AFB. I wonder if the whack-job that has been missing from here for a while /(and hopfully permenantly) is on this other forum. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Friday, September 23, 2005 6:16 PM And the numbers on these "boxcars" tell where they are to be routed? Does this mean that the number has to be repainted whenever these cars are loaded, and again when they are unloaded?This guy obviously knows absolutely NOTHING about railroads[:(!]! Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 23, 2005 6:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Because Hitler had become a synonime for Satan. People always mention his name as a symbol of evil. People always have to have simbols, that's how they are. Hitler is a vent where people channel all their disguist toward evil. A simbol. In reality there were many more people like Hitler, and many more even worse in history. Not to mention the countless people who agreed with hitler and actually did his dirty work. Every action of conquering other people's land is a crime, is stealing and is murdering. Yet some are heroes for such things as Napoleon or roman emperors, and others are devils like Hitler. But they are all coqerors, stealing land from other people and murdering those who try protect what is their own. Propaganda made Hitler something special. But in every war there are people like him. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:01 AM Yeah--what ever happened to the "shackle cars"? Those were a big laugh. Sincerely, Daniel Parks Reply Edit vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:42 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]? Because history is written by the winners. Also because Stalin didnt invade Europe triggering a massive world war. The internal events of the Stalinist Soviet era were closely guarded national secrets, there was no CNN or world wide web or digital camera telephones to spread information at the speed of light like we have today, all information, photography and news were tightly controlled by the central government. Stalin was able to commit these atrocities in almost complete secrecy, although as time went on, Stalin died, the survivors demanded to be heard, by the end of the communist era, while many in the west had already found out by the 1970's about the purges and pogroms commited under Stalin, many in the former Soviet Union didnt learn of these acts till after the Democratic Republic was re-established. Dont forget, during WW2, while Jewish groups in the US and England were trying to spread the word about the Holocaust that THEY knew was happening, our own governments kept silent for the most part, it wasnt until the camps were liberated, first by the Soviets, who were never shy to expose nazi atrocities in Russia, and released the shocking film footage of survivors and bodies piled up, that the world first really faced up to what the *** were capable of. When US troops first encountered the camps, many of them too were not ready psychologically for what they found, while many Jewish soldiers DID know what to expect from the Nazies, and would often exchange dogtags with dead christian soldiers if they were about to be captured, so they could avoid being sent directly to the death camps as they did with any Allied Jewish soldiers in direct violation of the Geneva convention. Have fun with your trains Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:56 AM Since we are talking about atracities commited by leaders lets not forget Mao Se Tung of China. During the Culturial revalution in teh 60's 100 million people died in china due to his poilces that is 5 times more than Hitler and Stalin combined. Yet how is are biggest trading partner China. In WW2 Japan was not excatly kind to POW's either. Japan's milatary at that time was led by the Rules of Bushido which means it is a disgrace to be taken prisanor and if you are you are lower than dirt. Japan has a memorial to the minature subs used in the Pearl Harbor attack. They used 5 of them and all five were sunk. Those subs had a crew of 2 yet only 9 are listed on the memorial why one of the submariners was captured. The Battan death march mean anything to you. 70000 US and Fillapinos captured and they were marched for 70 miles with no food or water and for kicks the gaurds used them for bayanet practice if you fell you were shot right then. Japan was a signer of the Geneva Convention and that is roughly how they treated our POWs. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:41 PM If we are going to discuss Japan as well, dont forget that part of the Bushido Code was the defense of the homeland in which US casualties were estimated to be 100, 000 dead before Japan would have been qwelled. The military leadership in Tokyo was deadfast ready to defend every last thicket and village, the people who had been raised during the last 30 years under a virttually military controlled government were ready and willing to die for the Emporer, kids were being taught how to roll under tanks with explosive packages and detonate themselves, women and old folks were being trained to fight with sharped wood spears. All estimators saw Okinawa ans a bloody preamble to the coming invasion which they estimated would have left 10,000,000 Japanese dead. Fortunatly for American soldiers, including many who had survived all the way to the Riechstag in Berlin and were now going to shipped to the Pacific theater for the coming invasion, the Manhattan Project was completed and Truman, to his credit, didnt hesitate to use it. Hiroshime and Nagasaki were sacrificed so the rest of Japan could live. But even this almost didnt happen, because after the bombs were dropped, the hardest mambers of the government didnt care, and still belived they should fight to the last citizen rather than surrender. The Emporer, having seen first hand what a thousand plane raid could do to Tokyo in one night ( more dead, burned to death, than at Hiroshima or Nagasaki) and what only one plane and one atomic bomb did, must have been haunted by the thought of a thousand planes carrying A-bombs and detroying every living thing in Japan, including himself! He over ruled his military government and ordered his people to "Bear the unbearable" and surrender, unconditionally. The government hardliners, to a man, commited suicide that very night. People love to debate the wisdom of using the A-bomb. But it did have these effects. 50% to 75% of the people living today in Japan today ARE living because we did not invade. If history is any guide, casualty estimates are never is high as the actual battle casualties. If 10 million Japanese citizens died because the A-bomb failed or was never used, how many japanese would their be today? The estimated 100,000 soldiers and their decendants of the allied soldiers slated to be casualties in the invasion forces are alive today, and continued post war to contribute to what Tom Brokaw called "the Greatest generation" and finally, in Using to A-bomb, was the MOST SOBERING EFFECT of all, seeing the horrors of what using the weapon could do, the shear distructiveness kept military leaders from using it as 1st choice battlefield weapon. When the Soviets got the bomb in 1947, with help from scientist who feared the US being the only nuclear power and using the threat of A-bomb attack to wield dictator like threats on other nations, the world moved into the "Cold War" era. but the FEAR of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD, proper title if their ever was one, no?) kept the peace, even thru the Cuban Missle Crisis, till the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990's. Something to think about eh? Have fun with your trains Reply potlatcher Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Bloom County 390 posts Posted by potlatcher on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:47 PM I think Gunderson does need to design a special car for the guy that came up with this theory - one that has a well padded interior. Tom Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:38 PM Could use old tank cars lined with foam? Have fun with your trains Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:18 PM Hellooooooo detective_peterfinder22 ...are you in there????? Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:16 PM When I first saw the Automax cars I was suspicious of the tiny airholes in the cars.Autobobiles don't need airholes but prisoners do![X-)]. It's amazing the kind of Bovine Scatology that one can find on the internet [alien]. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien]
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North The Soviets had them, too. http://www.ralphmag.org/famineZO.html Another dark point in history preceding the ***. Why isn't this atrocity as widely known as Hitler's Holocaust[:(!]?
QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackes in each car. [;)]The old shackles cars we have yet to see didn't hold enough people this is just the new model.[:D] QUOTE: They are there and there by executive order That means the president is behind this, and you know who contolls the president.[alien][alien][alien] Not so fast Lotus, I did some research, well clicked a couple of links that these odd-balls provided, The site these came from, this guy is all weirded out over chemtrails, has all kinds of military aircraft going over, of course he must have left out the fact he is near an air base.
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