What is the HP of these locos please?

[Anonymous]

Hi All.
Can anyone help me out, I need to find out the HP of the: EMD SD-75Mac, SD-75I And the SD-60Mac.

And does the BNSF company run the three units togeather?

Thanks All.
TYPAN

[Anonymous]

Typan, I may be full of crap, but I do not believe that the BNSF owns any (or there is such a thing as a SD75MAC. However there was one that was at our DSF that was a repaint and mismarked as a SD75MAC. The card in the cab did read SD75I) SD70MAC=4000hp, SD75I=4300hp, and I cannot remember for sure, but I think that the SD60M (not MAC) is 3800hp. Like I say, I may be wrong on the SD60M's hp. Also remember that there are two (that I know of) variations to the SD60. They are both DC, but one has the wide cab and one has the spartan cab..the SD60. The BNSF's SD60s are leased from Oakway and are white and blue with the EMD logo on the carbody. FYI: MACs are AC units, Ms are DC. When I was a hostler I have built consists with combinations of these units that you have mentioned.
Hope this helps.
Ken...........

[Anonymous]

I forgot to say that the SD60M is the wide cab version and are in the BN's Blk,Wht,Grn. paint scheme.

[Anonymous]

Thanks M8,
But he difference between the SD-70 and SD-75 is mostly inside, computer stuff.
and i have seen some of the SD-60's in the pumpkin patch paint seheme.

and sorry the SF road hade most of the SD-75mac's.
Thanks for all the info.

[Anonymous]

SD-60, 70, and 75. "MAC" or otherwise, are what the Ford "Pinto" was to the auto industry. In my own opinion, the last locomotive that EMD built that was worth a damned, was the SD-40-2. Give me a GE unit anyday! I know I'll get home for supper then. Ever since they sent production up to Canada, quality has gone down the crapper! You want examples? just look at the record for SD-50,s through '90MACS. The first 6 months or so, of production all they did was turn out "lemons". The GP-50 was a shining example of this. While General Motors was trimming costs, General Electric was developing a better locomotive. So, here we are, "David has slain Goliath". Not to mention the fact that GE locos are still built in the U.S., While "GMD" is across our northern border, where cheap labor, coupled with the favorable currency exchange rate, gives the stockholders of GM a BIG incentive to ship jobs out of our country. Yea, these Canadian "EMD's" are really lemons. Why do you think every savvy railroad is going with GE.?

[wabash1]

Funny thing about ge engines and this guys statement, the ns is no longer buying ge engines. and are buying emd. the emd last longer and is better quality. But enough of opinion. if you say the sd 50 is lemon then give facts, what was wrong with these engines or the 60s and 70s. and then compair them to the same model of the ge engines. the only thing I see is that you are mad that they sent production to canada. but if that is the case then you must be walking every where you go couse from early 1970s production of all car manufactures ( for some models) have been from canada. but i wont mix apples and oranges here. just the fact. what was the biggest problem with these engines.

[Anonymous]

Well Typan, if you knew, then why did you ask the question? As I said. The SD75 is not a MAC. Plain and simple. It has DC traction motors and some carbody differences as well. What do you mean that the SF had most of the SD75Is? They had all of the ones that are now part of the BNSF. The SD75Is that I have ran share the same basic computer layout as the SD70MAC with the exception that the SD75I measures load in amps (DC) and the SD70MAC measures in T.E. KLBS. This is probably over your head. It sounds like you are not a rail.............

[Anonymous]

Hey Bobishna. Just my opinion: GE should stick to toasters and fridges. They hunt and vibrate like a Harley. Why do you think that there is always crap stuffed between the auto valve and the engineer's desk (usually a wad of paper towels or toilet paper) to stop the vibration? One thing that I will completely agree with you on is the fact that they are made here! I cannot argue with the positive benefits of that! The EMDs are also more expensive, but, so are Cadillacs. Nuff said.
Ken

[Anonymous]

Yes Thankyou.

All i asked for was the horse power of some units i run models of.

Not to mention i live in AUSTRALIA, And the US job market does not really interest me.

Thanks Amyway.

[Anonymous]

Well, I'm sorry if I got a bit off topic, my "down-under" friend, but here in the U.S. it is a real sore point about GM/EMD forsaking its birthplace for the sake of corporate profits. If it weren't for the pioneers in La Grange, Illinois, we would probably be able to go trackside, and see "superpower Lima 4-8-4's" doing their thing. (which would suit me just fine). But, diesels are here, and it all started in a little suburb west of Chicago in the 1930's.
Within the last decade or so, corporate greed has shifted production to Canada. The exchange rate, and cheaper labor played a big part in this. Being from Australia, I wouldn't expect you to know much about "NAFTA", but that legislation basically sealed the fate of the American labor force. Our manufacturing jobs are quickly dissappearing to either Mexico, or Canada. This affects the ENTIRE economy, not just who builds locomotives where. I don't know how the blue-collar worker is doing in Australia, but here in the U.S., we are headed for poverty, because the big corporations see a nickle or dime saved elsewhere. It'll backfire though, eventually NOBODY except the corporate set, will be able to afford to buy anything new. THEN, we will see a depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic in the sun. Mark my words, It WILL happen.
Hopefully I'll be dead by then.
Todd C.

[wabash1]

All i ask for is the reason people make the sd 50s and so on out to be junk and facts only. and i get none. but if you say anything about the ge models with facts on how they are junk then they get mad. i wont start a emd/ge war. I believe i made the point about the auto industry being in canada well before nafta. And the exchange rate will have nothing to do with how they get paid. the usa money is worth more than the canadian money.

[Anonymous]

No such thing as SD75MAC. There are SD75M's and SD75I's. Both rated at 4300hp. The SD60MAC is rated the same as the SD60 and SD60M, that being 3800hp. Only 4 SD60MAC's were built and paved the way for the SD70MAC (a very, very good locomotive). You will see the 75's running with the SD60's and SD60M's, however the SD60MAC's were test units and have been returned to EMD.

[Anonymous]

Well Typan, how do you like those apples Mr. know it all foamer from down under?

[Anonymous]

I think you got an F ing Problem
So you can keep your F ing Apples.

[Anonymous]

Hey Typan, if you are ever in the states drop me a line on this forum. I live in Missouri and would be happy to kick your ***!

[Anonymous]

Dan
you are exactly right. A few bits of info for the other guys though. Everyone, except probably Dan, thinks everything is made in Canada or Mexico for EMD. Not quite. What do you think we do in LaGrange? Nothing... The heart of the locomotive is still made in LaGrange. The heart being the engine and main gen. Also, the high voltage cabinet. Why only these components??? The UAW provides the labor in LaGrange.. What does this mean? High dollars! GE on the other hand... Has their cheap union in Erie. What does that mean? GE's product costs less/ and more profit. At the present it is very tough for EMD to compete with GE on a cost level... When you compare DC to DC (EMD to GE), I think it is obvious who makes the better product. EMD When you compare AC to AC, I think GE has a better product..

HP ratings
SD60 3800HP DC (900RPM)(Except for SD60Mac)
SD70 4000HP DC (900 RPM)
SD70Mac 4000HP AC (900RPM)
SD75M or I 4300 HP (950RPM)
SD75Mac No such thing! Except maybe on someone’s layout
SD90Mac4300 4300HP (950RPM)
SD90MacH 6000HP (1000RPM)

GE and EMD's both have positive and negative design/performance/and cost features. Keep that in mind when you bash either one. And I am sure RR crews can tell you good and bad with both. I will agree with whoever made the comment about the SD40-2. It was a great one!!!!

Any other questions?

[Anonymous]

Well that is very grown up. When are mature enought to play nice. Come back and apologist to all the nice people who you have made feel uncomfortalble with your bad behaviour.

[Anonymous]

Thankyou DON, you are the master.
This is just the info i was after.
Pitty we had to go through all that agro,
Anyway you are a life saver, Stay safe.

TYPAN ..... From Australia!!!!!!!!!

[Jackflash]

Had a SD60 MAC in the lead and at other times in the consist more than once, I've checked the Blue
card and it shows its rated at 4000 HP (not 3800)
jackflash

[Anonymous]

Jackflash
Do you remember the roadnumber?

[Anonymous]

You know, I think you are correct.

[Anonymous]

For the SD60Mac (experitmental 4 units) my sheet says they are 3800hp.

[PaulDannenberg]

As for the SD60 there is a very good book published by DIESEL ERA called " EMD's SD60 , Stepping stone to the 21st century ".
All the railroads , all the info. Unfortunately this book may now be out of print but ask around and you'll probably find one.

From another completely different Aussie

[Anonymous]

You may know this but NS built 10 SD-70M at the Juniata shops and they have done other work for EMD. Super Steel of NY builds EMDs. And they build them in Mexico and Canada to. GE has outsourced some of their work to NS also. Having riding engines of all the builder all I can say is that there's nothing like a EMD for kicking cars and nothing like a GE for moving a over tonnage train and getting you home. I liked the SD-40-2 and the Dash 9 c's. GE four axle power rides rough and from my experience so do the wide cabbed four axle EMDs. By the way long hood forward not fun on a GE. My thoughts as a former NS guy.

[PaulDannenberg]

Hi Michael,
Without drifting too far off the horsepower question and onto the loco ride a mate of mine drives for BHP Iron Ore in the north of Western Australia and he still gives pretty good reviews of the Alco Hi-Ad bogies they have under their G.E dash 8's. Their other locos are AC6000's (8) with the second design of radial truck , last I knew ride was good except for when the traction software wasn't quite right and the loco did all sorts of things when they slipped. Don't get me wrong , 3 AC's can be found hauling 39600 ton trains of iron ore all the time. Why the AC's have radial trucks I'm not sure cause the trackwork up there is nothing but the best, open smooth gentle curves mostly. Hamersley Iron , nearby run C44-9's (with standard bogies) and they seem pretty happy with them , to the point of ordering a handful more in the last year or so. I don't think the AC's on BHP have ever been run long hood forward

[Anonymous]

All I know is what I got from experience at NS. Why they truck change I do not know. But that they both at good. Track on the NS was pretty good but we used to reach Toledo OH via the Ann Arbor RR they had jointed track and little bumps and dips. You quickly found out how good the suspension really was. By the way when they shipped the Hammersley SD-50's here I got on in my consist and it said it was rated for 3500 HP but some of the NS ones were rated for 3600 HP. The SD-60's we had were rated at 3800 HP. The C-40-9W we have are rated at 4000 HP but came be uprated to 4400 HP. I must me really hot in Austrailia due to the double insulated roofs and air cond. But why do they paint the things dark colors. A big black loco is murder in Michigan when is 85 degrees. As I was leaving NS they got the bright idea to paint the roofs white.

[PaulDannenberg]

Hi Michael,
The particular region all the iron ore railroads operate in ( Pilbara ) is a terrible place to visit , and just OK to railfan in. The temperatures get up to 117 degrees , I'm not exagerating , on a very regular basis , night and day.
Well done spotting the double skin cab roof , some C36-7's we shipped off to the U.S also had this. As for paint jobs up there another good point. Currently Hamersley are painting their C44-9's mainly silver with some small blue and red stripes. Robe River is a similar paint job with red , black and yellow stripes.
BHP are painting their Dash 8's and AC6000's mainly dark blue with a white stripe , addimtedly there is some white on the cabs. Previous to this their locos were orange and white , some crews say they changed color because the orange was hard to see. This might seem odd but the place is so rich with iron everywhere that the countryside is orange.
The SD50's and the C36-7's were built in Australia so that may explain the horsepower difference in the G.M's, I'm told our horsepower ratings only count that which only goes to the traction motors and not even small accessories are counted. I'm not absolutely certain if that is how U.S manufacturers rate their locos , it probably is. Maybe the 50's were derated at manufacture just to ensure reliability in the awful conditions.

[Anonymous]

sounds like you are the only one made uncomfortable. remember, you are the one that started with the "f ing" foul language......my offer still stands. no appologies here.

[Anonymous]

Mike
good points about GE and EMD. Look for New SD70M's coming your way soon. I am very curious to hear what you think about the new cab configuration....