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Originally posted by NightCrawler Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed That was one heck of a big bang. Never know what the 18 wheeler next to you is hauling. [;)] Originally posted by NightCrawler LOL. Ya realy. Allan. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:59 AM If the truck is hauling explosives, corrosives or fuels it better be marked very plainly on the front sides and back. Those are the regulations for transporting. Class A Explosives have very strict regulations and the load could not have been going to far as trucks carrying explosives for any distance must have two drivers at all times. It had to be a round trip that could be completed in about twelve hours or less. So anyone who wants to know what is being hauled in trucks only has to look for the placards to tell if it is corrosive explosive or fuels. Reply DrummingTrainfan Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Omaha-ish, Nebraska 703 posts Posted by DrummingTrainfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:00 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by m1ashooter That driver was one lucky SOB... [#ditto]You can say that again![#ditto] GIFs from http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/offer.htm -Erik, the displaced CNW, Bears, White Sox, Northern Illnois Huskies, Amtrak and Metra fan. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:18 AM What ever the truck was hauling may not have been loaded properly you do not mix cetain kinds of explosives. Of course putting the truck on its side did not help at all. Explosives are some of the nastiest stuff there is. I think you can never mix 1.1 with either 1.2 or .3 some det cord is heat sensitive and if it dragged on the ground it may have set itself off. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:41 AM Wow! Holy [censored]! -Mark www.fuzzyworld3.com -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:44 AM It was interesting to watch the driver being interieded from his hospital bed. He was sitting up and still a bit dazed. He said that he was 75 yards tops from the rig when it went off. Right after the wreck he said there were 20 or so people milling around trying to help get them out of the cab. When he yelled "EXPLOSIVES" and tried to start running, people just weren't moving like they should. He had to work to get them to RUN! He undoubtedlky saved a few lives that day. They also intervied a motorcycle rider that was blown backwards from the blast. He said he felt it all the way through him. He was standing outside his apartment, after being released from the hospital. Somebody was looking out for people in Spanish Fork Canyon yesterday. Over 20 people could have just as easily been vaporized like the truck. Mark in Utah Reply Edit zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:50 AM Lucky there was not a train going by at the time, especially a train with more fun stuff, like propane, anhydrous ammonia, or other such items. Or worse yet, if the front of the lead locomotive had been adjacent to the blast...... Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:36 AM Last word is the truck carried something called "cap initiators". These are initial explosive that is set off by the blasting detonator, which initiates the explosion of much large charges. Most likely they were going to the coal mines on the other side of Soldier Summit. dd Reply richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:37 AM Is that dual main line or a passing siding at the blast location? Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy Is that dual main line or a passing siding at the blast location? Dual main with signalling for bidirectional running on each track. dd Reply DrummingTrainfan Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Omaha-ish, Nebraska 703 posts Posted by DrummingTrainfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by dldance [Dual main with signalling for bidirectional running on each track. dd We're very lucky that there wasn't an Amtrak train going by. GIFs from http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/offer.htm -Erik, the displaced CNW, Bears, White Sox, Northern Illnois Huskies, Amtrak and Metra fan. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:17 AM Unexploded Ordinances? Nothing like a local law that hasn't blown up yet... Some years ago there was some labor unrest involving a trucking company in the Missouri area. Someone decided to shoot at one of the trucks, which just happened to be carrying explosives. Left a rather large hole in the middle of I-44. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:46 AM The truck was laden with over 35,000 pounds of explosives called cast boosters that are used in mine exploration, according to the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper. The truck was en route to Oklahoma, having loaded up with explosives from a factory at the mouth of Spanish Fork Canyon. The crash occured at a place in the canyon known as Apple Bend where there's at least one tractor-trailer crash a month. Needless to say, it's amazing nobody got killed. The railroad line will probably be reopened long before U.S. 6 is suitable for traffic again. The Utah Dept. of Transportation has to make sure the rest of the mountainside doesn't decide to come down, and there's the matter of filling in the hole in the ground, repaving, and repairing fiber-optic lines. This accident underscores the the bumper stickers I've seen on a few vehicles saying: "Pray for me, I drive on Highway 6!" Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:49 AM Holy[censored] Wow that is unreal!!!!!! those people in the truck were some lucky people! Reply Edit corwinda Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 389 posts Posted by corwinda on Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:42 PM Looking at the news stories answers a couple of issues raised above. 1. There were two drivers in the truck. 2. The truck caught fire after the crash; and the fire set off the explosives. Reply miniwyo Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Rock Springs Wy. 1,967 posts Posted by miniwyo on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:14 PM Saw on the news earlier, they want to press charges on the driver of the truck. And I was just waking up this morning when I think I heard them say that the rails have been reapired already, and trains were running normal. RJ "Something hidden, Go and find it. Go and look behind the ranges, Something lost behind the ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go." The Explorers - Rudyard Kipling http://sweetwater-photography.com/ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:03 PM Both rail tracks were opened to traffic today. The southerly track (farthest from the highway) by midmorning and the northerly track this afternoon. The highway crater was filled by dark and repaving and other necessities will be finished and the highway reopened by 8am Friday. Yes it is amazing that no one was killed or even seriously injured in this incident, it could have been a real disaster as this is a very busy highway and UP rail route. Ben Reply Edit edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Friday, August 12, 2005 10:19 AM Be gald that only the road was damaged remember what happened on the SP during the Veitnam war. A boxcar full of MArk 84's caught fire the mark 84 is a 1 ton bomb with 1000 ounds of trinoctal a milatary grade explosive 10 times the power of tnt left a hole 300 ft across in the yard and they were still finding unexploded bombs 30 years later. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply csmith9474 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Colorado Springs, CO 3,590 posts Posted by csmith9474 on Friday, August 12, 2005 11:13 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Be gald that only the road was damaged remember what happened on the SP during the Veitnam war. A boxcar full of MArk 84's caught fire the mark 84 is a 1 ton bomb with 1000 ounds of trinoctal a milatary grade explosive 10 times the power of tnt left a hole 300 ft across in the yard and they were still finding unexploded bombs 30 years later. Is this the one? http://www.sacbee.com/static/archive/ourtown/history/railbombs.html Smitty Reply daniel3197 Member sinceAugust 2004 109 posts NO ONE KILLED in hsitorical SP catastrophe on 4-28-73 in Roseville CA Posted by daniel3197 on Friday, August 12, 2005 11:23 AM Yes that should be the TOTALLY AMAZING historical event in which NO ONE was KILLED at all !!! I can not imagine how everyone could have possibly survived such a MASSIVE catastrophe! That amazing historical outcome happened on April 28 1973 in the large Roseville CA yard just northeast of Sacramento CA on the Southern Pacific Railroad. That event certainly qualifies as one of the MIRACLES of the 20th CENTURY! WOW!!!! --- Daniel Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, August 15, 2005 7:24 PM I drove through the site on Sat AM and all repairs were completed. There was still UP MOW equipment in the area - so it looks like UP was going to let things settle for a few days and then realign and retamp the ballast. The forest service was still mopping up, but the fires were out. They were still searching for unexploded caps. Last I heard they had recovered about 60 lbs out of 35,000. Re: the Roseville fire. My brother lived in Roseville at the time as was evacuated. He said that he stood on the balcony of a friends apartment and watched. When the bombs went off, there was a small mushroom cloud and they could feel the ground shake. But there were also propane tank cars in the yard near the ordinance train. He said the when the propane cars went off, there was a very large mushroom cloud and the building shook. Propane sets off what the fire department calls a BLVE - boiling liquid vapor explosion. That is about the nastiest non-military explosion there is. dd Reply Grumpy Hogger Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Bradford Ontario Canada 19 posts Posted by Grumpy Hogger on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:11 AM Wow All they needed was a launch pad and the driver and co-driver could have joined the space station crew they are very lucky people Wayne D. Thompson Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed That was one heck of a big bang. Never know what the 18 wheeler next to you is hauling. [;)] Originally posted by NightCrawler LOL. Ya realy. Allan. Reply Edit passengerfan Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Central Valley California 2,841 posts Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:59 AM If the truck is hauling explosives, corrosives or fuels it better be marked very plainly on the front sides and back. Those are the regulations for transporting. Class A Explosives have very strict regulations and the load could not have been going to far as trucks carrying explosives for any distance must have two drivers at all times. It had to be a round trip that could be completed in about twelve hours or less. So anyone who wants to know what is being hauled in trucks only has to look for the placards to tell if it is corrosive explosive or fuels. Reply DrummingTrainfan Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Omaha-ish, Nebraska 703 posts Posted by DrummingTrainfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:00 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by m1ashooter That driver was one lucky SOB... [#ditto]You can say that again![#ditto] GIFs from http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/offer.htm -Erik, the displaced CNW, Bears, White Sox, Northern Illnois Huskies, Amtrak and Metra fan. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:18 AM What ever the truck was hauling may not have been loaded properly you do not mix cetain kinds of explosives. Of course putting the truck on its side did not help at all. Explosives are some of the nastiest stuff there is. I think you can never mix 1.1 with either 1.2 or .3 some det cord is heat sensitive and if it dragged on the ground it may have set itself off. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:41 AM Wow! Holy [censored]! -Mark www.fuzzyworld3.com -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:44 AM It was interesting to watch the driver being interieded from his hospital bed. He was sitting up and still a bit dazed. He said that he was 75 yards tops from the rig when it went off. Right after the wreck he said there were 20 or so people milling around trying to help get them out of the cab. When he yelled "EXPLOSIVES" and tried to start running, people just weren't moving like they should. He had to work to get them to RUN! He undoubtedlky saved a few lives that day. They also intervied a motorcycle rider that was blown backwards from the blast. He said he felt it all the way through him. He was standing outside his apartment, after being released from the hospital. Somebody was looking out for people in Spanish Fork Canyon yesterday. Over 20 people could have just as easily been vaporized like the truck. Mark in Utah Reply Edit zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:50 AM Lucky there was not a train going by at the time, especially a train with more fun stuff, like propane, anhydrous ammonia, or other such items. Or worse yet, if the front of the lead locomotive had been adjacent to the blast...... Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:36 AM Last word is the truck carried something called "cap initiators". These are initial explosive that is set off by the blasting detonator, which initiates the explosion of much large charges. Most likely they were going to the coal mines on the other side of Soldier Summit. dd Reply richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:37 AM Is that dual main line or a passing siding at the blast location? Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy Is that dual main line or a passing siding at the blast location? Dual main with signalling for bidirectional running on each track. dd Reply DrummingTrainfan Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Omaha-ish, Nebraska 703 posts Posted by DrummingTrainfan on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by dldance [Dual main with signalling for bidirectional running on each track. dd We're very lucky that there wasn't an Amtrak train going by. GIFs from http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/offer.htm -Erik, the displaced CNW, Bears, White Sox, Northern Illnois Huskies, Amtrak and Metra fan. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,011 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:17 AM Unexploded Ordinances? Nothing like a local law that hasn't blown up yet... Some years ago there was some labor unrest involving a trucking company in the Missouri area. Someone decided to shoot at one of the trucks, which just happened to be carrying explosives. Left a rather large hole in the middle of I-44. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:46 AM The truck was laden with over 35,000 pounds of explosives called cast boosters that are used in mine exploration, according to the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper. The truck was en route to Oklahoma, having loaded up with explosives from a factory at the mouth of Spanish Fork Canyon. The crash occured at a place in the canyon known as Apple Bend where there's at least one tractor-trailer crash a month. Needless to say, it's amazing nobody got killed. The railroad line will probably be reopened long before U.S. 6 is suitable for traffic again. The Utah Dept. of Transportation has to make sure the rest of the mountainside doesn't decide to come down, and there's the matter of filling in the hole in the ground, repaving, and repairing fiber-optic lines. This accident underscores the the bumper stickers I've seen on a few vehicles saying: "Pray for me, I drive on Highway 6!" Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:49 AM Holy[censored] Wow that is unreal!!!!!! those people in the truck were some lucky people! Reply Edit corwinda Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 389 posts Posted by corwinda on Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:42 PM Looking at the news stories answers a couple of issues raised above. 1. There were two drivers in the truck. 2. The truck caught fire after the crash; and the fire set off the explosives. Reply miniwyo Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Rock Springs Wy. 1,967 posts Posted by miniwyo on Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:14 PM Saw on the news earlier, they want to press charges on the driver of the truck. And I was just waking up this morning when I think I heard them say that the rails have been reapired already, and trains were running normal. RJ "Something hidden, Go and find it. Go and look behind the ranges, Something lost behind the ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go." The Explorers - Rudyard Kipling http://sweetwater-photography.com/ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:03 PM Both rail tracks were opened to traffic today. The southerly track (farthest from the highway) by midmorning and the northerly track this afternoon. The highway crater was filled by dark and repaving and other necessities will be finished and the highway reopened by 8am Friday. Yes it is amazing that no one was killed or even seriously injured in this incident, it could have been a real disaster as this is a very busy highway and UP rail route. Ben Reply Edit edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Friday, August 12, 2005 10:19 AM Be gald that only the road was damaged remember what happened on the SP during the Veitnam war. A boxcar full of MArk 84's caught fire the mark 84 is a 1 ton bomb with 1000 ounds of trinoctal a milatary grade explosive 10 times the power of tnt left a hole 300 ft across in the yard and they were still finding unexploded bombs 30 years later. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply csmith9474 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Colorado Springs, CO 3,590 posts Posted by csmith9474 on Friday, August 12, 2005 11:13 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Be gald that only the road was damaged remember what happened on the SP during the Veitnam war. A boxcar full of MArk 84's caught fire the mark 84 is a 1 ton bomb with 1000 ounds of trinoctal a milatary grade explosive 10 times the power of tnt left a hole 300 ft across in the yard and they were still finding unexploded bombs 30 years later. Is this the one? http://www.sacbee.com/static/archive/ourtown/history/railbombs.html Smitty Reply daniel3197 Member sinceAugust 2004 109 posts NO ONE KILLED in hsitorical SP catastrophe on 4-28-73 in Roseville CA Posted by daniel3197 on Friday, August 12, 2005 11:23 AM Yes that should be the TOTALLY AMAZING historical event in which NO ONE was KILLED at all !!! I can not imagine how everyone could have possibly survived such a MASSIVE catastrophe! That amazing historical outcome happened on April 28 1973 in the large Roseville CA yard just northeast of Sacramento CA on the Southern Pacific Railroad. That event certainly qualifies as one of the MIRACLES of the 20th CENTURY! WOW!!!! --- Daniel Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, August 15, 2005 7:24 PM I drove through the site on Sat AM and all repairs were completed. There was still UP MOW equipment in the area - so it looks like UP was going to let things settle for a few days and then realign and retamp the ballast. The forest service was still mopping up, but the fires were out. They were still searching for unexploded caps. Last I heard they had recovered about 60 lbs out of 35,000. Re: the Roseville fire. My brother lived in Roseville at the time as was evacuated. He said that he stood on the balcony of a friends apartment and watched. When the bombs went off, there was a small mushroom cloud and they could feel the ground shake. But there were also propane tank cars in the yard near the ordinance train. He said the when the propane cars went off, there was a very large mushroom cloud and the building shook. Propane sets off what the fire department calls a BLVE - boiling liquid vapor explosion. That is about the nastiest non-military explosion there is. dd Reply Grumpy Hogger Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Bradford Ontario Canada 19 posts Posted by Grumpy Hogger on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:11 AM Wow All they needed was a launch pad and the driver and co-driver could have joined the space station crew they are very lucky people Wayne D. Thompson Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by NightCrawler
QUOTE: Originally posted by m1ashooter That driver was one lucky SOB...
QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy Is that dual main line or a passing siding at the blast location?
QUOTE: Originally posted by dldance [Dual main with signalling for bidirectional running on each track. dd
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
RJ
"Something hidden, Go and find it. Go and look behind the ranges, Something lost behind the ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go." The Explorers - Rudyard Kipling
http://sweetwater-photography.com/
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Be gald that only the road was damaged remember what happened on the SP during the Veitnam war. A boxcar full of MArk 84's caught fire the mark 84 is a 1 ton bomb with 1000 ounds of trinoctal a milatary grade explosive 10 times the power of tnt left a hole 300 ft across in the yard and they were still finding unexploded bombs 30 years later.
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