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Take a hike!
Posted by Mookie on Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:15 AM
Ok - so this isn't going to tax anyone's brain - but having read all about conductors, etc. and their duties, it brings up the question:

Isn't there an awful lot of walking involved in that job? And long distances?

Anyone want to give me/us some examples?

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Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:35 AM
I'm not a railroader but I have been on many cab rides. In all those times I only remember one time where the conductor had to walk further than across the tracks for a roll-by. That was when we had an undefined emergency and he had to walk the train.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Ok - so this isn't going to tax anyone's brain - but having read all about conductors, etc. and their duties, it brings up the question:

Isn't there an awful lot of walking involved in that job? And long distances?

Anyone want to give me/us some examples?

Mz Moo


Mook -

There is indeed a lot of walking in the job of conductor or trainman. Walking yard tacks to bleed off cars, wlaking the brakes on a brake test, walking trains in emergency, walking to throw switches during switching on the road or in the yard, walking to spot cars or inspect cars at locations where there are no car department people, walking to inspect for defects when a train trips a detector, walking to install or remove an EOTD, and literally dozens of other times as well that I am just not thinking of now. Why do you think the condutor is almost always the thinner member of a train crew?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:14 PM
OK. How many crew members are there?
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Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:20 PM
2-3.
I wonder...when there is a 3 man crew...who walks the train....the conductor or the brakeman?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:26 PM
What would a Brakeman do compared to the Conductor?
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Posted by tatans on Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:30 PM
What about the fireman??? oh yeah, a cowboy on a chicken ranch eh? So now there is no fireman so that leaves the other seat for the conductor, right? oh, now there is a brakeman, or does the conductor replace the fireman and the brakey, are there 2 seats across from the engineer? see what happens when you get rid of caboosii ! ! It's getting pretty crowded up there isn't it???
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Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 29, 2005 6:00 AM
Plus if you are on the head end and the trouble spot is 10 cars from the rear.....

Hope the engineer brought plenty of coffee and snacks!

This has to be a little spooky at night or during rain/snow, or both!

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, April 29, 2005 6:44 AM
I once saw something that said that the conductor would walk the length of his division during a shift. I'm thinking the divisions might have been a little shorter then, and I believe they were talking about working a local. Still, it is a lot of walking!

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Posted by edblysard on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:28 AM
Mookie,

In the yard, I put in about 4 to 5 miles a day, along with the nice work out of lining switches.

Helper puts in about the same.

On the road, we both spend a lot of the time on the ground, walking the train, lacing up air hoses, lining switches.

When its time for the air test, and it is an initial terminal air test, the rules require both side of the train be inspected for defects, (missing or broken brake shoes, bad wheels, missing rungs/ladders, safety appliances) so both myself and the helper(brakie) walk it, one on each side.

For a simple air test, I put the gauge on the last car, get a reading and leak test, pull the gauge, get the engineer to set them up, check that the brakes work on the rear, then have him release them.

If all that’s good, I get him to do a minimal application, and, if space permits, I have him shove back to me, checking that all the brake cylinders have the pistons showing.
No space, I walk it up to the head end.

Changing a couplers knuckle isn’t that bad, if you can get the pin to stay put when you lift the lever up....but bust a entire draw bar / coupler means you have to find a way to set the car out, some where.

If you’re lucky, and the broken one is on the rear of a car, you tie the rest of the train down and head to the next siding, leave the damaged car, and shove back to your train, air it back up and go.
If you’re unlucky, it’s the one facing you...then you get to figure out how to move a car without a knuckle.

BNSF has a neat little tool.

Called a Carry Lite Drawbar.

A nylon strap, about 3" wide, 1/4" thick, and 10' long, with a come-a-long ratchet.
Looks like a big nylon tow strap.

You slip the strap into the sill or drawbar key way, the other end on to the last good car, cut the damaged car away from the rest of the train and ratchet the damaged car up tight against the knuckle of the last good car.

You are actually tying the car missing the drawbar to the next cars knuckle, with a big nylon belt/tow strap.
Then you head out, real slow, to the next siding....

You don’t try to change a drawbar/entire knuckle by yourself on the road.
One reason, you don’t have a spare!

And you have no way of knowing what caused the failure in the first place...
Bad casting on the shank, worn keeper key, something wrong with the sill...
Imagine going through all the work required, then, as you start up, the sill on that car fails completely, and rips the bottom out of the car!

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Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:29 AM
There are three seats in the cab of most locomotives. Some of the current railroaders will have to enlighten us about the new locomotives, but in the SD40-2 and the GP's there are normally two seats on the left side, one in front of the other; who sits where is determined usually by chosen by the conductor. On F units, there is normally only one seat on the left side of the cab.

Back in the days of the 5-man crew, the fireman and head brakeman shared the cab with the engineer, and the rear brakeman and conductor rode in the caboose.

How much different it was operating a locomotive when there were people in the caboose. Train handling was much more complicated then, as the wrong move on the engineers part could cause a run-in (or out) of slack severe enough to cause serious injury to someone in the caboose.

These days, there is rarely a brakeman on a road freight train, unless it is a way-freight that has many stops along the way and/or industries to switch. Many yard jobs still have a switchman in addition to the foreman.
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Posted by spbed on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:45 AM
I think I read in another thread that part of the physical test is to lug a 85 pound knuckle some distance as part of the hiring requirement. [:o)][:p]

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:51 AM
That brings up an interesting thought - you have the knuckle on the engine - it breaks about 10 cars from the rear on a coal train. You could probably back the train up, but not pull it forward. So you are going to walk the entire train lugging a knuckle? Am I missing something here?

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:36 AM
...Ed, when it is necessary to set out a defective car and you pull it ahead to the nearest siding and place it there....Then you go on to your destination with the rest of the train...what message alerts other operators following later {maybe at night}, and possibly they must use that siding to allow another train past...What alerts the crew of the train pulling into that siding that it is blocked with the defective car...{It may not be visible at night before it's too late.....}

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Posted by Randy Stahl on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:51 AM
Lets say Mook that you are the conductor on a east bound train. You are working with an engineer known for rough train handling. Your train is slowing for a slow order, head end restriction only. At 10 mph your engineer kicks off the air and dynamics and starts pulling on them . On the rear of your train there are 40 empty cushioned boxcars with another 15 loaded tankcars behind them. You are nearly thrown from you seat as the locomotives suddenly stop and then seem to back up for a moment and then lurch forward like a rocket. You hear the engines go into emergency and brace yourself for the inevetable slack run in. After every thing stops the engineer says "hit the ballast kid"
You start walking through the darkness with a couple of fusee's in your pocket and your lantern. You are looking at all of the wheels, making sure every thing is on the track, looking for a parted air hose (hoping!!) and trying to keep your footing on slanted loose ballast. After a walk of about a mile you spot a gap in your train, about 100 feet from a busy crossing in a bad neighborhood. You radio to the engineer that you found a seperation and you require an E knuckle and pin. The engineer tells you that he will toss one off on the ground next to the locomotives, he will leave a lighted fusee burning near it . You also light a fusee and place it at the east end of the stranded cut of cars. The hogger tells you that the knuckle is ready and you mount the stirrups on the last car of the shortened train and proceed east bound, watching for the burning fusee. As soon as you spot it you start you car counts to stop the train next to the knuckle and fusee. As soon as all movement stop at you direction, you dismount the boxcar, pickup the knuckle and place it on the car, if it is the next car that has the BO knuckle you set the new one on the boxcar crosswalk. You climb back on the boxcar and instruct the hogger the start backing up west. You are watching for the fusee that you left back at the stranded cars. You stop the shove a car length or so from the BO car, take the knuckle you brought with you and install it in the BO car. After the train is in one piece again you connect the airhoses and start the air back in the train. If the train airs up you are finished and can start walking back to the head end, if you weren't around a grade crossing you could ask for a reverse move .If the train does not air up you must inspect the rest of the train.
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Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 29, 2005 9:54 AM
Randy - I gotta print this off and take it train watching to really read it.

Thanx to all in advance!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 29, 2005 10:53 AM
Even though some conductors do a lot of walking in the course of doing their switching duties, at least they can be thankful that they are not doing the job of flagman in the days prior to block signals and CTC.... [:)]
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Posted by edblysard on Friday, April 29, 2005 11:29 AM
Quentin,
It depends on where you are working.
In CTC, and TWC, you have to get the dispatchers permission for authority to do any of the movements, in fact, he/she is the first person you call on the radio to tell them about the problem.
You also broadcast on that road channel to "All trains be advised that train **** is in emergency between mp 176.9 and mp 210."
In dark territory, you go back and provide flag protection a mile behind the last car.

As for the blocked siding, the CTC and TWC control operator already know you have pluged the siding, they gave you premission to do so...and they wont run anything in there...
And, if the situtation exsist, say the rear knuckle on the car is the bad one, after you put your train back together, you might be instructed to drag past, then shove back to the car, and couple it up on the good end, and slow roll it with your train to the first place you can leave it for repair.

If you dont do this, the next local train heading in the correct direction to pick it up will.

In ABS, as long as you occupy that block, you pretty much own it, the opposing signals will keep anyone out..and by leaving the car in the siding, you complete the circut there, and it will show as a occupied siding on the dispatchers board, and the lineside signal for that siding will show red.

And last but not least, in dark territory, if you leave it there in the siding, the next engineer entering the siding better be moving under GCOR 6.28, restricted speed, so he is going slow enough to stop short, "within 1/2 the visual distance" of the car.

Keep in mind that in dark territory, most crews know who and what is out there ahead of them, and behind.

We comunicate via radio a lot,.

I work under RTC, radio traffic control, dark territory.

But I know what jobs will be where, we do the same basic things every day, so when we get close to where a job works, we call on the radio.

We then hash out who is going to do what, and keep a eye out for each other.

The one time I had to leave a B/O car in a siding, I called our control opperator, and the crews I knew were working in the area, and warned them about it.

Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...Ed, when it is necessary to set out a defective car and you pull it ahead to the nearest siding and place it there....Then you go on to your destination with the rest of the train...what message alerts other operators following later {maybe at night}, and possibly they must use that siding to allow another train past...What alerts the crew of the train pulling into that siding that it is blocked with the defective car...{It may not be visible at night before it's too late.....}

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:04 PM
Johnny Mercer must have been thinking about this topic when he wrote the lyrics for "On The Atchison, Topeka and The Santa Fe." A couple of lines go:

"It's a treat to be on your feet all day
on The Atchison, Topeka and The Santa Fe"
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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:52 PM
...Ok, got all of that Ed....Thanks.

Quentin

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