Why: "A Nice Little Place to Run Up the Post Count."

[dwRavenstar]

Gawd, even the hapless churches are getting slammed (on Sunday, no less).

It wasn't the now "National" brewers alone that put a kink in the regional brewing concept. Look at the layout you're working on and you'll see the real culprit, well, you'll see the tool that made the effort plausible anyway.

They say the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth because their supply of beer had dwindled and the area provided the environment that would allow them to grow the grains and whatnot needed to fill the tankards. St. Louis and Milwaukee were strong brewing centers because they were lightning rods for German and European settling (folks who had the talent and desire to whet the pallats of their neighbors. In old photos you see the men heading off to work with that small bucket in their hands. They weren't toting Campbell's soup for lunch and bringing the empty vessel home for another day tomorrow. On the way home they would stop and get their evening's beverage in that little bucket.

You bought your day's drinking and no more because there was no dependable refrigeration to keep it fresh for longer than it took to drain a pint or two. Once that secret had been translated it was time for all hades to break loose.

Breweries could deliver suds further than an afternoon's wagon ride away and larger purchases by the drinking masses became very popular. In come the railroads and their brand spanking new technology, the reefer. A partnership was born. One hand washed the other in a frothy mug and the larger breweries used their wealth and business talent to advertise and cajole until the name of Captain Pabst was better known than that of the current First Lady. Over time dragons grew into monsters and America's drinkers developed a national perspective of their daily past time.

Attack anyone you like, pick a daily victim if it suits your inner need but don't insult the jockey when his ride betters your pick in the third race. The regional breweries that have been absorbed or dried out by the bigger guys went that route because it was their best business decision at the time. In hindsight many of them might well enough see that they had made a mistake or they had fallen victim of their individual circumstances at the time. No decision by the individual drinker made it happen unless they were guilty of ordering what was available at the corner watering hole rather than going somewhere else for their brew.

Regional breweries are still thriving. On my trip back to Pa. next month you can bet I'll be drinking a couple of Genesees before my flight back lifts off. Except for nights my wallet was a bit light back in my early twenties I wouldn't have washed a sick dog in Rolling Rock. Oddly it's offered as a Premium beer out here in the Midwest. Go figure.

Peace and happiness to you Jim. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. [}:)]

Dave Wyland (dwRavenstar)

[Anonymous]

Dave,

What a nice posting, but the forgotten factor in in all this is..regional brewers either became national players like Coors, or the brand died in its drinkers minds on merger with either a St Loius or Milwakee outfit!

And for GOD's sake, all this posting is always done with the eye towards fun, why else expend the energy! After all, I'm sort of a fat middle age guy, I'm kind of proud of that...

I just wonder what my trains star count is now?

Jim

[dwRavenstar]

But without the invention of the refrigerated rail car, the bottle cap and Pasturization of the product we'd all still be drinking suds that were brewed last night somewhere down the street.

Derision, attacks and affronts presented tongue-in-cheek might fit under the eye towards fun blanket but in the eyes of some folks it may well seem a tiny crib blanket being spread and nothing akin to a king sized comforter.

Dave Wyland (dwRavenstar)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dwRavenstar

But without the invention of the refrigerated rail car, the bottle cap and Pasturization of the product we'd all still be drinking suds that were brewed last night somewhere down the street.

Derision, attacks and affronts presented tongue-in-cheek might fit under the eye towards fun blanket but in the eyes of some folks it may well seem a tiny crib blanket being spread and nothing akin to a king sized comforter.

Dave Wyland (dwRavenstar)

Hey Dave,

I'm loving your mind game...Everytime I post here, I get a Trains magazine point towards a star. As a side note, each one of those regional brewers out lived your postings about improved industrial production...LONG PAST IT. Maybe the demise of regional brewers was associated with advertising, witch has nothing to do with quality of the product!

Jim

[dwRavenstar]

Mind game huh?

Dad has always said you play up or down to the level of your competition. You see it as a game and I see myself playing down. Good luck with your star quest. I've better endeavors with which (yes, that is the proper spelling of the word) to occupy my time.

Ravenstar

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dwRavenstar

Mind game huh?

Dad has always said you play up or down to the level of your competition. You see it as a game and I see myself playing down. Good luck with your star quest. I've better endeavors with which (yes, that is the proper spelling of the word) to occupy my time.

Ravenstar

The game is that neither you or I have an investment in the discussion, we have just observed what happened, and are now exchanging the possibilities...I see your father didn't have an idea about the power of advertising.

Yep, must times I'm a downer, because I always speak the truth. BTW - thanks trains for giving me star points! Get a grip Yankton, like you had some new information on the demise of regional brewers!

Jim

[jabrown1971]

SP9033-Seems like maybe you missed the point of the thread....a nice little place to run up the thread count.......it is supposed to be fun, a place to say something just to say it. Seems like maybe you need to loosen up a bit. Instead of picking fights here with your own thread, go over there and laugh a bit. Have fun and please don't take this as a critisism, but rather an obsevation from someone with just two stars next to my name, and *** proud about it

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jabrown1971

SP9033-Seems like maybe you missed the point of the thread....a nice little place to run up the thread count.......it is supposed to be fun, a place to say something just to say it. Seems like maybe you need to loosen up a bit. Instead of picking fights here with your own thread, go over there and laugh a bit. Have fun and please don't take this as a critisism, but rather an obsevation from someone with just two stars next to my name, and *** proud about it

Yes, your right! I must loosen up...My God, I lied!

Jim

[Anonymous]

ttt

[techguy57]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033
Oh, as long as you get your "Starbucks" and every now an again you hook with a cause in the thrid party, donate a buck or two....When was the last time you got dirty.

I'm as libral as Richard Nixon, who in his day and age was a rebublicain, today he'd be considered a no-good progressive!

JIm

Jim,
Shows how little you know about what you are talking about. If you knew me and what my job is like you'd know I get plenty dirty moving steel counterweights and unloading trucks. If you knew me and what I do to help some of my significant other's families' stores then you'd know I'm often up to my elbows in drywall, mastic and paint just to name a few. And if you knew anything about me at all you'd know that I've worked hard to get the things I have and to be wherre I am in life. But you wouldn't know that because you think this forum should be entirely about trains, despite the fact you've spent the majority of your time in this particular thread bashing Dubya (if you want my views on the President I'll be more than happy to discuss them with anyone somewhere else). But the folks who understand that this forum is more than just about trains, that understand that its a way for train enthusiasts to get together and talk and most importantly to connect, are the folks I can say do know me and what I'm like. Those people, people like Dan, Ed, Jen (Mookie), Gabe, Carl (cshaverr) and a host of others understand that personal contact and connections can open up a lot of doors in life that would otherwise be shut. They also understand that sometimes facts and figures are not the most interesting aspect of railroading. I greatly appreciate that attitude and that I can have good relationship with folks like these who I probably wouldn't get to meet and talk with if it wasn't for this forum. My advice to those who don't like it's format: please feel free to contact the administrators at Trains.com or simply just go somewhere else. That certainly goes double for you Jim.

Sincerely,

Mike Vanlandingham

[dharmon]

Cold whack fo shizzle!

Yeah

[techguy57]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Cold whack fo shizzle!

Yeah

[:D]Oh, Dan...If you ever want to have your own tv sitcom, I'll be happy to help out anyway I can! Seriously funny stuff as always.[:D]

Mike

[Junctionfan]

What is wrong with this tunnel? I downloaded a tunnel saying it is big enough to fit double stacks and so I installed it, (Auran Trainz) and run a double stack train. Guess what happens, they lied. I now have 90 40 foot containers on the ground..............DOH!!!

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

What is wrong with this tunnel? I downloaded a tunnel saying it is big enough to fit double stacks and so I installed it, (Auran Trainz) and run a double stack train. Guess what happens, they lied. I now have 90 40 foot containers on the ground..............DOH!!!

Cold stone whack fo shizzle!!!!!

talk about some mad 'tainer stacking whacking skills!!!

[techguy57]

[#ditto]

[Anonymous]

I hope Shiner doesn't go the way of Lone Star and Pearl, absorbed by larger companies, like Jim said. But IMO, the Shiner product is much better than either Pearl or Lone Star and probably better likely to stand on it's own. And if you're ever down this way, it's worth it to go see their brewery.

mike

[edblysard]

Pearl, Lone Star?
You mean there is someone besides the drunks who drank that stuff by choice?

Ed

[Anonymous]

Mr. Ed,

I've had both, on occasions when nothing else was available. Pearl, especially is pretty nasty. I can't imagine being drunk on either. Sheeesh, makes me sick to think about it.

mike

[brazos87]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Pearl, Lone Star?
You mean there is someone besides the drunks who drank that stuff by choice?

Ed

I always used Pearl as paint thinner, Lone Star as carb cleaner--and to think, we've lost out on these home grown industrial solvents!

Bring's a tear to my eye, I''ll drown my sorrow in a Shiner.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

What is wrong with this tunnel? I downloaded a tunnel saying it is big enough to fit double stacks and so I installed it, (Auran Trainz) and run a double stack train. Guess what happens, they lied. I now have 90 40 foot containers on the ground..............DOH!!!

Cold stone whack fo shizzle!!!!!

talk about some mad 'tainer stacking whacking skills!!!

And foamy too. Majority of the containers were from Heineken.[:D] Quite the fizzle.....