QUOTE: Originally posted by andrewjonathon I think it is a little ridiculous to argue that two trains per day should be running on the California Zepher route when much of the year the existing train has excess capacity. By way, do you know how much of the expenditure on highways is paid for through fuel taxes?
Quentin
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ohlemeier [-- About User Fees... they don't pay the bills User fees only account for about 60% of highway spending by all levels of government. The rest comes from non-users and in 1990, non-highway users subsidized roads at the rate of $18 billion per year. -Source: Highway Statistics 1990, Tables HF-10 and SMT, Federal Highway Administration
QUOTE: Originally posted by ohlemeier Some have asked on this forum why Amtrak hasn't kept up with growing population. This chart from NARP shows how much money the feds have thrown at air and highways, while cconsistently cutting Amtrak funding. http://www.narprail.org/default.asp?p=resources%2Ehtm * Purchasing power for federal highway programs more than doubled (increased 113%) from 1982 to 2004. It also more than doubled (increased 149%) for aviation, but passenger rail decreased 27% -- as a society we get what we pay for, so it's little wonder that passenger rail has not been able to increase its market share among the other modes. "You can't ride a train that's not there." -- Throwing money at everything doesn't solve all problems but when AIR and HIGHWAYS have had BILLIONS thrown at them, WHILE RAIL HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY stabbed and told to be self-sufficient by politicians who take bribes from highway and aviation interests, you soon realize money's part of the problem. The above statement from NARP shows why there isn't at least TWO trains on a route like the Calif. Zephur route. Actually, there should be more, with one running through DES MOINES or because of bad track, on the line through AMES through Nebraska and North Platte to Cheyenne and on to Idaho and Seattle. Amtrak isn't perfect. It's management has made many mistakes. But in Washington, money speaks louder than words. And lack of money - and mismanagement by federal lawmakers - has harmed Amtrak. Take Pres. Carter (and later Clinton) ORDERING Amtrak to cut routes. Not because of ridership, logic or anything inherently wrong with people wanting to take the train (despite experts on this forum claiming passenger rail is outmoded. The same argument might be used against their beloved freights if RRs are compared to trucks - trucks have clearly made freight rail outmoded. Right.) , but because the DOT wanted to save money. Amtrak therefore to satisfy politicals stopped running several KEY trains in important regions - like the LONE STAR from CHI to Oklahoma and HOU. It was the 7th most popular LD train at the time that suffered from FEDERAL INTERFERENCE. Think if that train - and the CHI-FLORIDA and the PGH-STL train and the second MSP-SEA train had been in existence now, as well as the DENVER-SEA and SALT LAKE-VEGAS-LA train, there would be many more Amtrak riders and the system's losses would have been a lot smaller. But Congress and the White House continues to interfrere. Now, Bush - who can't stop dumping billions into a foreign war - is aggravating the situation by singling-out Amtrak. Let's introduce something called THE TRANSPORTATION FREE-MARKET bill that requires ALL forms of transportation to be subsidy free. See how long that idea would last. . This NARP page has a lot of good info and resources. http://www.narprail.org/default.asp?p=resources%2Ehtm I urge everyone interested in preserving and expanding passenger rail to join NARP, your state organization and get involved. ------------------ http://www.narprail.org/default.asp?p=resources%2Ehtm
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....If we would have funded the interstate highway system to be a 2-lane highway...I wonder how successful it would have been....That's about the equivalent to how Amtrak's been handled from the beginning and still.....
QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....If we would have funded the interstate highway system to be a 2-lane highway...I wonder how successful it would have been....That's about the equivalent to how Amtrak's been handled from the beginning and still..... True, but then people would be calling the good ol USA a second rate country for not having a highway system a good as France and Germany. The Interstate Highway system was funded by user fees. Taxes paid by auto and truck owners and users. Only local streets and roads are financed in any substantal amount from non-user fee sources.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ohlemeier QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....If we would have funded the interstate highway system to be a 2-lane highway...I wonder how successful it would have been....That's about the equivalent to how Amtrak's been handled from the beginning and still..... True, but then people would be calling the good ol USA a second rate country for not having a highway system a good as France and Germany. The Interstate Highway system was funded by user fees. Taxes paid by auto and truck owners and users. Only local streets and roads are financed in any substantal amount from non-user fee sources. I seriously doubt so-called user=fees paid a dime to build the mammoth high-speed highways system. Gasoline only cost what like 20-30 cents a gallon during the 1960s. Highway taxes weren't at all like they grew to be during the 70s and 80s. Face it, this country got a free ride, with the feds funding every conceivable form of transportration with billions v. crumbs for more efficient forms. --
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