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You said something else too: [quote user="BigJim"]The use of hand brakes to controll the movement of a train over the road is totally unsafe and unacceptable![/quote] I understand the testiness towards Euclid I had my own encounter with him. But we should be fair and not read something into his posts he didn't say just to have a point. Experts (railroaders) or me as a civil engineer often explain in a way as if the counterpart has some knowledge. So to completely understand one needs to ask questions. Some people are content without the additional questions, others like Euclid or me aren't.  I think professionals have to stand these inquiries. Regards, Volker
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