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Property Damage from a Derailment - Settle instead of Sue?

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Property Damage from a Derailment - Settle instead of Sue?
Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 12:34 AM
Last year a LA-area derailment on the UP (LA&SL) caused damage to some lineside residences. In situations like that, where the derailment was the railroad's fault, do the railroad's reps make contact with the local property owners to try to reach a settlement without going to court? In this case there were no injuries or deaths, just property damage.

Cases involving injury or death to persons almost always seem to draw lawsuits, as if a court case is the only way to reach an agreement.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 12:49 AM
That's a good question, you'd think it would be easier for the RRs to try and reach a settlement, but you would also have to think that most people nowadays would jump at the chance to go to court and sue anyone that has any money, especially large corporations.

The only sure winner when these things go to court are the lawyers.
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:23 AM
Railroad claim agents try to work out the most equitable solution that they can. Being that most railroads are self-insured, these folks work hard to minimize the damages and keep the lawyers as underemployed as possible. Most of these folks are very good and sometimes deal with some truly heartbreaking cases - I would not want their job. There are a few, like most places, that are rather dubious (sp?) in carrying out their work, we have nicknamed those folks "Quick Check Artists".

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Railroad claim agents try to work out the most equitable solution that they can. Being that most railroads are self-insured, these folks work hard to minimize the damages and keep the lawyers as underemployed as possible. Most of these folks are very good and sometimes deal with some truly heartbreaking cases - I would not want their job. There are a few, like most places, that are rather dubious (sp?) in carrying out their work, we have nicknamed those folks "Quick Check Artists".

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MC-

You are indeed a diplomat about Claim Agents, who, as you know, also handle FELA matters with injured employees. I can still recall lieing in my hospital bed and having the Claim Agent come into my room the day after major surgery with pen and release in hand brushing aside my morphine IV to try and get me to sign it. Hospital staff and security somehow though that was a bit much. So did I.

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Posted by jchnhtfd on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:36 AM
Oddly enough, it seems to me that most companies (and individuals!) (but unfortunately, not all...) who are involved in an accident where someone's property was damaged or someone was injured would much rather settle for what appears to be an equitable amount. As mudchicken says, the railroad claims agents do a pretty good job at this (except, of course, for the few...). However, as soon as a lawyer becomes involved (usually at his or her suggestion -- 'Oh you poor injured victim -- I can get you a lot of money from that company!') and greed sets in, the costs skyrocket. As in any other profession, though, before we all go jump on the lawyers, it is well to remember that the vast majority of lawyers are thoroughly ethical folks! But there are a few -- we used to call them 'ambulance chasers' -- who aren't...
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Posted by gabe on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:48 AM
MP57313,

Settlement is advantageous. Litigation is expensive; if it can be avoided by paying a plaintiff 80% of what he or she would have got in court, it makes a lot of sense for both parties. It helps the plaintiff because (1) it removes the risk that they will not recover, (2) allows them to take the money now instead of the 10+ years it can take to litigate the claim, and (3) it saves them the time, trouble and expense of getting a lawyer. It is good for corporations, because it provides them with certainty. Ask most business analyst, uncertainty is bad for business. If the corporation might have to pay $1 or $1 billion for a claim, it is hard for them to plan ahead and insure themselves efficiently.

That having been said, there are some problems with the settlements because, often the future plaintiff is making decisions while being coerced by a professional who has no incentive to tell them how much they can collect for their damages. Sometimes corporations settle suits in good faith; often they hire someone whose sole purpose is to hose the other party as much as humanly possible.

Finally, as to your remark about people dying always leading to litigation rather than settlement, your question answers itself. I know we all like to think of lawsuits as just a rapacious way to get money, but to a plaintiff who has lost a loved one because a corporation didn't take a safety procedure, it is so much more than just the money. A court of law's statement saying to the corporation "what you did is wrong, and now you must make the victim whole" is more than monetary recompense.

There have been many people—Bill Cosby for instance—who have spent several tens of thousands of dollars in litigation for, literally, a $1 lawsuit. He does this because he wants society to tell wrongdoers that they are doing wrong.

Even as a lawyer, I think settlements are generally good and should be encouraged. A defendant admitting fault to a victim and recompensing the victim voluntarily is a mark of a civilized society--and keeps money in the hands of business and victims and out of the hands of lawyers. That having been said, you should never fault someone for not accepting a settlement. Sometimes, it is more than money and the offered settlement on the part of the corporation is "less than forthright."

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Posted by bobwilcox on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

MP57313,

Settlement is advantageous. Litigation is expensive; if it can be avoided by paying a plaintiff 80% of what he or she would have got in court, it makes a lot of sense for both parties. It helps the plaintiff because (1) it removes the risk that they will not recover, (2) allows them to take the money now instead of the 10+ years it can take to litigate the claim, and (3) it saves them the time, trouble and expense of getting a lawyer. It is good for corporations, because it provides them with certainty. Ask most business analyst, uncertainty is bad for business. If the corporation might have to pay $1 or $1 billion for a claim, it is hard for them to plan ahead and insure themselves efficiently.

That having been said, there are some problems with the settlements because, often the future plaintiff is making decisions while being coerced by a professional who has no incentive to tell them how much they can collect for their damages. Sometimes corporations settle suits in good faith; often they hire someone whose sole purpose is to hose the other party as much as humanly possible.

Finally, as to your remark about people dying always leading to litigation rather than settlement, your question answers itself. I know we all like to think of lawsuits as just a rapacious way to get money, but to a plaintiff who has lost a loved one because a corporation didn't take a safety procedure, it is so much more than just the money. A court of law's statement saying to the corporation "what you did is wrong, and now you must make the victim whole" is more than monetary recompense.

There have been many people—Bill Cosby for instance—who have spent several tens of thousands of dollars in litigation for, literally, a $1 lawsuit. He does this because he wants society to tell wrongdoers that they are doing wrong.

Even as a lawyer, I think settlements are generally good and should be encouraged. A defendant admitting fault to a victim and recompensing the victim voluntarily is a mark of a civilized society--and keeps money in the hands of business and victims and out of the hands of lawyers. That having been said, you should never fault someone for not accepting a settlement. Sometimes, it is more than money and the offered settlement on the part of the corporation is "less than forthright."

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This also applies to disputes with customers-get it settled to everyones satisfaction out of court. You would be amazed at the very small number of suits that got to court comming out of the SP meltdown. There were a lot of issues going that way but they got settled before anyone got to the court house steps.
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Posted by gabe on Thursday, February 3, 2005 7:56 AM
Good point, I would like to think that a company with business savy could distance themselves from emotion to make a rational monetary decision.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

Good point, I would like to think that a company with business savy could distance themselves from emotion to make a rational monetary decision.

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Gabe-

FDSLMAO....

Unfortunately, few decisions except meaningless ones are without emotion, especially relating to litigatrion...

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Posted by gabe on Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:43 AM
Good point LC.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 3, 2005 11:58 AM
Rgr. gabe, just gotta pick myself up here from the bottom of the stairs...lol...

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

Oddly enough, it seems to me that most companies (and individuals!) (but unfortunately, not all...) who are involved in an accident where someone's property was damaged or someone was injured would much rather settle for what appears to be an equitable amount. As mudchicken says, the railroad claims agents do a pretty good job at this (except, of course, for the few...). However, as soon as a lawyer becomes involved (usually at his or her suggestion -- 'Oh you poor injured victim -- I can get you a lot of money from that company!') and greed sets in, the costs skyrocket. As in any other profession, though, before we all go jump on the lawyers, it is well to remember that the vast majority of lawyers are thoroughly ethical folks! But there are a few -- we used to call them 'ambulance chasers' -- who aren't...


Jamie-

Popping on my devil's advocate hat for a moment having been both a lawyer for insurance companies and their insured's on the defense side and an injured plaintiff on the other the simple truth is that if you have a decent case you will get a better settlement with a competent attorney than without most of the time. Of course, that settlement must still cover the sttorneys' fees and costs of litigation which is something the client must carefully consider both at the time they retain counsel and at the time of consideration of any settlement offer. It is a tricky balance and if not well explained by the lawyer or without proper and realistic consideration by the plaintiff is likely to result in issues for both.

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Posted by gabe on Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:17 PM
If I had a dollar for every time a plaintiff was offered a several hundred thousand dollar settlement, turned it down, went to court, ended up with little or nothing, and then cried to an appellate court that they should have been awarded more because even the defendant's settlement offer was larger than their judgment, I would be very a rich man.

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