I noticed in season 1, episode 5 of the subject series a brief scene showing a steam locomotive numbered "89" hauling at least two tuscan red passenger cars. I didn't see any listing in the movie credits of railroad equipment used. I wonder if no. 89 and cars were those belonging to the Strasburg Railroad. I realize Strasburg's engine was built after "The Gilded Age" period, but since the scene is fleeting most people would not pick up on that fact. After all, "Hollywood" does take license with history on occasion (!).
Anybody have any "skinny" on this?
Well if the locomotive and train looked something like this you can bet it was Strasburg!
Hey, if I was shooting a period piece movie and needed a ready-made steam train that's where I'd go!
https://www.strasburgrailroad.com/our-locomotives/no-89/
Yes, I confirmed with the Strasburg Railroad on their Instagram feed that it is indeed their #89 in episode 5. And they mentioned that we might recognize some cars in episode 1!
Strasburg is the go-to railroad in the East for the film industry's needs and for steam repair. Love it....especially the latter....in the 21st century!
Strasburg 89 is a former Canadian National 2-6-0 Mogul, part of a 25 engine order built in 1910 by the Canadian Locomotive Company for the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada. Like many engines from the first generation of superheated boilers they proved ideal for branchline operation and remained in service until the very end of CN steam, and seven survive today.
http://www.cwrailway.ca/cnrha.ca/CN%20steam%20drawings/C%2cD%2c%26E/e-10-a.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/j.dimech/roster/260ros2.html
Here's sister 92 (another survivor) wrestling a good size freight up the street running section in Brantford, Ontario:
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=47955
There are very few actual 1880s engines left in operation today, and anything from the pre-WW1 era looks close enough, especially if pared with wooden passenger equipment of equal vintage.
Having said that, there are two 1880s Canadian Pacific 4-4-0s still in steam in Canada, one at the South Simcoe Railway north of Toronto and the other at Manitoba's Prairie Dog Central, which was used last year in the filming of a new CBC series about Pullman Porters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Porter_(TV_series)
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SD70DudeThere are very few actual 1880s engines left in operation today, and anything from the pre-WW1 era looks close enough, especially if pared with wooden passenger equipment of equal vintage.
Let's face it - they could use a streamlined NYC Hudson (we wish) in a turn-of-the-cetury (1900) era film and most movie-goers wouldn't give it a thought. We would, but they wouldn't.
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I've heard of some typography fans complaining about a movie where a newspaper headline was using a typeface that was created several years after the supposed timeframe of that scene in the movie.
Erik_Mag I've heard of some typography fans complaining about a movie where a newspaper headline was using a typeface that was created several years after the supposed timeframe of that scene in the movie.
Any kind of a movie depends on what's called "The willing suspension of disbelief" to work. For example, you know what you're watching is just a movie but the film-makers if they've done their job right will make you believe what you're watching is real. Unfortunately depending on who you are and what you know it doesn't take much to crack the illusion.
At this point if I see something that I know is wrong I just ignore it if the story's good and entertaining.
In my dim and distant youth, I can remember Dad pointing out any number of howlers while watching the TV series "12 O'Clock High". The story lines weren't too bad, though.
CSSHEGEWISCHIn my dim and distant youth, I can remember Dad pointing out any number of howlers while watching the TV series "12 O'Clock High". The story lines weren't too bad, though.
Watching ANY job type specific TV or Movie show - and those who actually know about those kinds of jobs will howl and howl and how - and righfully so. "dramatic license".
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
CSSHEGEWISCH In my dim and distant youth, I can remember Dad pointing out any number of howlers while watching the TV series "12 O'Clock High". The story lines weren't too bad, though.
I remember that show! I loved it! Although I wasn't too thrilled when they killed off General Savage and brought in Colonel Gallagher, but Joe Gallagher was OK when you got used to him.
You can find those "12 O'Clock High" TV shows on YouTube, I've watched a few and they're just as good as I remember them.
(OK, as a veteran I know there's thing's going on that wouldn't happen that way but I still enjoyed seeing the shows again.)
I was quite a fan of "12 O'Clock High" as well, though only started watching in the last season and a half. Did think the B-17 flying overhead was a nice touch for the final scene of the final episode.
The running gag for my brother and I was spotting the ME-109 with the big number "3" on the side of the fuselage in episode after episode.
Erik_Mag I was quite a fan of "12 O'Clock High" as well, though only started watching in the last season and a half. Did think the B-17 flying overhead was a nice touch for the final scene of the final episode. The running gag for my brother and I was spotting the ME-109 with the big number "3" on the side of the fuselage in episode after episode.
It was a great TV series as I recall. I saw it first run. The movie with Peck, et al., was even better.
charlie hebdoIt was a great TV series as I recall. I saw it first run. The movie with Peck, et al., was even better.
The movie is superb, in my opinion the best aviation-themed war film ever made.
You know, when some people thing of Greg Peck they think Atticus Finch, others think Captain Ahab, but the first thing that comes in my mind is his superb portrayal of Frank Savage, I can't imagine anyone else in the role.
(Except Robert Lansing, but he's a close second.)
Erik_MagThe running gag for my brother and I was spotting the ME-109 with the big number "3" on the side of the fuselage in episode after episode.
You've got to give that German pilot credit, he was persistant!
Seriously though, it's no surprise "12 O'Clock High" made a lot of use of stock footage, TV shows in the 1960's had nowhere near the budgets they do today and military-themed shows were expensive to produce to begin with.
In the same period, there was a short-lived NBC series titled "Convoy" that was shot in balck & white due to the use of so much stock Navy footage. NBC was almost entirely color shows (a big deal at the time) so this was quite a concession.
The television show "Emergency" was well produced and technically accurate.
But they used stock shots, lika any other program. The flag raising, used to signify the start of a new day/shift, was always the same shot.
There is one scene where the squad is responding down a residential street. Always the same street, and the same VW bug was always parked at the side of the street. You probably wouldn't notice it if you didn't binge watch (I have the DVDs).
Randolph Mantooth (Johnny Gage) related at a seminar I attended that the reason why Roy always drove was because all of the stock shots involving the squad had him in the driver's seat.
Randy's a great guy, by the way. Although he turned down the opportunity to become a real firefighter/paramedic (they attended the training), he's been an advocate for EMS ever since. I had a chance to chat with him at a conference here.
tree68 Erik_Mag The running gag for my brother and I was spotting the ME-109 with the big number "3" on the side of the fuselage in episode after episode. The television show "Emergency" was well produced and technically accurate. But they used stock shots, lika any other program. The flag raising, used to signify the start of a new day/shift, was always the same shot. There is one scene where the squad is responding down a residential street. Always the same street, and the same VW bug was always parked at the side of the street. You probably wouldn't notice it if you didn't binge watch (I have the DVDs). Randolph Mantooth (Johnny Gage) related at a seminar I attended that the reason why Roy always drove was because all of the stock shots involving the squad had him in the driver's seat. Randy's a great guy, by the way. Although he turned down the opportunity to become a real firefighter/paramedic (they attended the training), he's been an advocate for EMS ever since. I had a chance to chat with him at a conference here.
Erik_Mag The running gag for my brother and I was spotting the ME-109 with the big number "3" on the side of the fuselage in episode after episode.
If you watch CHiPS or Adam 12 - you see the same vehicles, over and over they start out 'pristine', then they get sideswiped by one of the villians on one side in this episode and on the other side in another episode, finally the generally end up in one the read end collision scenes where they go vaulting over the car that was hit and pile into three or four more vehicles.
Got to keep costs under control.
I was just thinking about "Convoy" when you brought it up. And yes, that's what I heard, it was cancelled because it had to use stock shots and they were all in black and white. From the same period was the series "Combat" - which was the most popular show Armed Forces TV - Vietnam (out of Saigon) ever broadcast.
BEAUSABREFrom the same period was the series "Combat" -
"Combat" started off as a black and white series, then switched to color later on, just to stay feature competitive with the other networks. As I recall one of the stars Vic Morrow (Sgt. Saunders) didn't like the switch to color believing it ruined the grim, gritty look of the show.
Flintlock76 BEAUSABRE From the same period was the series "Combat" - "Combat" started off as a black and white series, then switched to color later on, just to stay feature competitive with the other networks. As I recall one of the stars Vic Morrow (Sgt. Saunders) didn't like the switch to color believing it ruined the grim, gritty look of the show.
BEAUSABRE From the same period was the series "Combat" -
Considering that while I was growing up - almost all references to WW II were displayed in B&W - watching all WW II historical articles in print and on TV were virtually all B&W. As a kid, that leads to the impression that there was no color in the world until the middle 70's when color TV began to become commonplace.
Personally it is somewhat jarring to view color pictures of the WW II era.
Credit to the author and distributor, of course.
Always enjoyable to see Calvin & Hobbes again. Sharp eyes will notice that Hobbes always reverted to his true self whenever additional people (Calvin's parents, Suzy, etc.) were in the frame.
BaltACDPersonally it is somewhat jarring to view color pictures of the WW II era.
The first time I saw color combat footage from WW2 was in a TV documentary called "Our Time In Hell." I think it was first broadcast in 1969 or 1970 and it was made up of original US Navy and USMC color combat camera footage. According to the documentary nearly 100% of the Pacific combat footage WAS shot in color, that's how the Navy Department wanted it done Kodachrome movie film being available by that time.
William Wyler's documentary "Memphis Belle" filmed for the USAAF was also shot in color as well.
The reason so many TV documentary series like "Victory at Sea" for example were put together on black and white footage was there was no point in doing them in color, hardly anyone had a color TV at the time. Hence the surprise for most of us seeing those color WW2 films (the real ones, not the colorized ones) for the first time.
What jarring for me is seeing Hitler on those German Agfachrome color films, it's like the SOB is still alive and out there somewhere!
CSSHEGEWISCHAlways enjoyable to see Calvin & Hobbes again
I think Calvin and Hobbes hit its zenith with "Attack Of The Deranged Killer Monster Snow Goons!" Brilliant!
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