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I wouldn't mind the politicking in this forum so such if it didn't keep turning into a name calling session. Though I disagree with ED on the war and hope he will re-consider in the better light of future hindsight, he seems to be a fine man, with the good sense to make a good life for his family. Now Rick, it is these personal attacks that are drivel. I am weary of them. But I have noticed where most the political negativity has been comming from in the last ten years or so. Some of you are giving "Liberalism" a bad name! But we're on to ya! If only the rest of us can just keep in focus the fact that these America haters and Bush haters are only posing as liberal! They make a mockery of liberal tradition in their extreme hatred of those with more consevative values than themselves. I believe they are more interested in raw partisan power than they are in any ideal or morality. Buy the way, if your not with us, and your not against us, just how would you define yourself in light of murderous butchers in the world vowing our destruction. Would you compromise - let them kill only half of us. Or maybe you would happily pretend to convert to their brand of Islam. Or halfway convert. Or maybe we could compromise with them and let them impose a sort of half democracy - half religious tyranny on the whole world. I could keep going, but such compromise is already obviously silly. So which is to be - one or the other! With us - or against us! We may debate about whether we want to go to war - now or later, on their soil or our own, or to just give up our way of life. But sooner or later, a stand will be forced upon us. War has been and will again be imposed upon us regardless of our debates or personal opinions. I personnaly would prefer that America not be the world's policeman. I don't think it is practical, and the use of force is always morally questionable. Moreover, I question why we should even give a hoot about the rest of the world enough to want to bother. But on the other hand, can we morally and righteously stand by and let whole peoples of the world be tyranized, tortured, and murdered by genocidal butchers, when we have the power to prevent it. This moral dilemma is stark, almost as stark as war itself. There is room for honest thought on both sides. Bytheway, it is our tendancy to answer this dilemma with opposition to evil that has earned us the hatred of the evil doers. We elect presidents and representatives to make these decisions for us, and allow them access to the worldly facts needed to make an honest decision - facts that the general population could never know about until it was too late. I am willing to allow those we elect to make war and peace decisions so long as they do it constitutionally (they did - in this case). I will withhold my judgement of them until I have the better light of hindsight to guide me. I hope all Americans will. RmC
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