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[quote user="schlimm"] My thought is that for operations, one can use the profit or not-for-profit model.  Both are efficient and can produce high quality service.  But if you add in trying to cover infrastructure, you need the government. [/quote] I worked for investor owned employers all of my working life.  I spent eight years with a Wall Street Bank, four years with a Connecticut bank, and nearly 30 years with an investor owned electric utility. They were all tuned by the profit motive. The banks were highly competitive.  The electric utility was a regulated monopoly, with relatively little competition. It behaved a lot like a government agency prior to deregulation.  it was effective but not very efficient.  After deregulation, it changed dramatically, in large part because of competition, and it became much more efficient.   Profits and competition help drive efficiency and effectiveness. Without them executives and managers have little incentive to do things better, faster, cheaper.  This is one of the reasons, I believe, why Amtrak is not managed very well. It does not have to be well managed to stay in business.
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