I remember seeing a matched stainless steel trainset on the westbound "Canadian" at Thunder Bay in 1976 powered by an FP9-GP9-FP9 set. Quite impressive.
My prediction: Rogue combination of wave and surge causes severe roll; cars in large numbers break loose and 'fall' liberating gasoline as they go; fire results belowdecks. Now hundreds of cars are holding ship 'on its beam ends' and it will be interesting to see how the salvage crew moves them to right the hull for towing.
NDG FYI. Ship Capsizes, Georgia, USA. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boat-capsize-missing-crew-members-cargo-ship-overturns-near-georgia-port-live-updates-2019-09-08/ https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/Golden%20Ray.jpg https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-09-capsized-cargo-ship-georgia-coast-guard Thank You.
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Thanks, Balt. These are useful examples.
The four missing crew of the Golden Ray have been located on board according to the Coast Guard. Arrangements are being made to remove them from the vessel.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/09/cargo-ship-rescue-searchers-hear-noises-overturned-boat/2262512001/
I don't know if you can answer these Balt, but I have a few questions.
1) Is the Golden Ray floating or aground?
2) Can it be righted and not have to be cut up like the TRICOLOR? That was an interesting video.
3) Are the cars these ships transport secured to the decks well enough to keep them in place, or will they have all shifted to the bottom of their areas? .
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Electroliner 1935I don't know if you can answer these Balt, but I have a few questions. 1) Is the Golden Ray floating or aground? 2) Can it be righted and not have to be cut up like the TRICOLOR? That was an interesting video. 3) Are the cars these ships transport secured to the decks well enough to keep them in place, or will they have all shifted to the bottom of their areas? . Thanks
Can't answer with any authority. Videos I have seen would suggest that it appears to be aground relatively close to shore.
I am sure whatever the salvage effort is made will be a interesting undertaking. I have viewed a number of marine salvage videos - the amounts of equipment and manpower as well as engineering that is brought to bear on the casualities is staggering.
I have no idea how or if the lading is secured on board. With the severity of ocean motion, I don't see how the lading could be handled in a unsecured manner.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coast-guard-drills-through-hull-4-ok-inside-cargo-ship/ar-AAGZp5X?ocid=sf
I would assume that the boats would be equipped with tiedown devices not unlike those found on auto racks or flatbed tow trucks with a bit of Great Lakes carferry technology tossed in.
A incident similar, I think, to that of the Golden Ray
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see any of those car carrying vessels all that top-hamper they've got makes me very nervous!
Flintlock76 I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see any of those car carrying vessels all that top-hamper they've got makes me very nervous!
Same with container vessels...
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tree68 Flintlock76 I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see any of those car carrying vessels all that top-hamper they've got makes me very nervous! Same with container vessels...
From my perspective, car carriers look more unstable than container vessels. We tend to overlook just how much draft a container vessel has and understand that containers go down to the lowest reaches of the hull (I am assuming that the heaviest of containers are loaded at the lowest levels.
What I find amazing is that container vessels make multiple port calls - calls in which they both discharge and load containers at each port of call. And load those containers in such a fashion that they won't have to be double handled between origin loading point and final destination.
There is a vlog series on YouTube of a seaman on the Maersk Montana that makes a regular 35 day schedule between ports in the US and ports in Europe.
And those "floating hotel" cruise ships.
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Paul of Covington tree68 Flintlock76 I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see any of those car carrying vessels all that top-hamper they've got makes me very nervous! Same with container vessels... And those "floating hotel" cruise ships.
Yeah, those too. I suppose they're safe enough, but every time I see one all I can think of is "I wonder how long one of those things would last on the North Atlantic in the winter?"
Flintlock76 Paul of Covington tree68 Flintlock76 I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see any of those car carrying vessels all that top-hamper they've got makes me very nervous! Same with container vessels... And those "floating hotel" cruise ships. Yeah, those too. I suppose they're safe enough, but every time I see one all I can think of is "I wonder how long one of those things would last on the North Atlantic in the winter?"
It is a good thing that very few tourists want to see the frigid North Atlantic!
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Off topic? Something unusual out my way. So far northwest it ain't on the Northwestern anymore!
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=38880
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Definitely a long way from home. By the way, it's two words, as in North Western.
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CP 414502 is still on the active roster. I believe CN 50397 was scrapped in the early 21st century. A sister, CN 50387, is preserved in operating condition at the Alberta Railway Museum.
Good Lord, I've never even heard of these things. I don't recall seeing them for sale here in the US, but then I haven't been looking either.
This is too serious for a wisecrack. Definately NOT a "Tiki Torch."
Maybe the owner's manual that comes with ethanol lamps cautions users against this very thing, but people have a bad habit of not reading the manuals. For anything.
NDG FYI. Danger! Safety First! Flame Jetting. Hazards refueling Methanol Lamps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1BqIofK4s As here. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1778300 Thank You.
Never seen anything like those in the USA. Do you get them at Tim Horton's or Canadian Tire?
I've been out of touch with boats for some time, and I don't know what they're using for stoves now, but back in the seventies, it was common to use alcohol stoves. The reasoning was that an alcohol fire could be put out with water, but I always thought that that one trait was far outweighed by other negatives. Alcohol is very volatile and is very easily ignited. It burns with a flame that is practically invisible, especially in daylight. Also, I had read in boating magazines of incidents similar to the ones mentioned above, usually when trying to re-light an already hot stove or refilling the tank on a hot stove.
When I bought my 28-foot sailboat, it came with an alcohol stove, and I soon started looking for a replacement. I ordered a kerosene stove, but returned it when I found out it needed to be primed with alcohol. I didn't want alcohol in the boat for the same reason I insisted on a diesel rather than gasoline engine. I finally found a primitive kerosene wick type stove which I used for years.
BaltACD NDG FYI. Danger! Safety First! Flame Jetting. Hazards refueling Methanol Lamps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1BqIofK4s As here. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1778300 Thank You. Never seen anything like those in the USA. Do you get them at Tim Horton's or Canadian Tire?
Timmy's uses them to make coffee.
Seriously though, I've never seen one before (although I do not frequent the patio section at Canadian Tire).
The only alcohol-fired heaters I have seen were for railcars, specifically insulated boxcars and reefers. They used alcohol because the fumes were odourless and did not contaminate the product.
I have read that the portable alcohol heaters (some were built into cars) were sometimes also used for heating cabooses.
One very significant point in favor of alcohol heaters and lamps on boats is exhaust in confined spaces. I cannot use a typical oil lamp indoors due to the fume smell, let alone any issue with cumulative monoxide poisoning. I am also not a fan of pressure burners for hydrocarbons, in part due to consequences of sudden leaks with the system under pressure when there is any chance of an ignition source nearby.
One thing to note about flame jetting is to avoid a container that looks like a rocket motor! But the important precaution, as indicated, is to put wire gauze over some part of the flow path when pouring -- that applies to gasoline jerrycans as well as to stove fuel, and of course one of the first applications of the idea was to shield flames in miners' lamps from firedamp.
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