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ATSF Cushing-Camp oklahoma branch: where camp?

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ATSF Cushing-Camp oklahoma branch: where camp?
Posted by caboose63 on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:08 PM

I once read that on the ATSF's Cushing-Camp branch in oklahoma near stillwater, was a shortline named cimarron river valley railway which operated in 1989. on my SPV eastern prairies atlas, i know where cushing is at, but no where is camp is located. where exactly on the atlas is camp located at (did it go by another name?).

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 5:35 PM

NW of Casey, OK  Pawnee County - Junction/ x-ing of the Avard Sub (SLSF/BN/BNSF) Section 13 T21N R5E Indian Principal Meridian

Cushing to Camp abandoned in 1983; Camp to Fairfax via Skedee and Ralston lived a little longer, accessed off the Frisco/BN starting in 1972 until 1990? (north of Fairfax died by 1974)...Diningcar may remember when the thing died Camp to Fairfax, it was always on the verge of croaking. And several attempts at starting a shortline failed 1983-1990.

B-4 Page 57 of SPV Atlas

(I hope I never have to work this piece of RR. It appears that the abandonment was never totally consumated because of the corporate implosion of its Texas owners 25 years ago.)

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 6:48 PM

mudchicken
NW of Casey, OK  Pawnee County - Junction/ x-ing of the Avard Sub (SLSF/BN/BNSF) Section 13 T21N R5E Indian Principal Meridian

Wow - My Michigan History and Government class (7th grade) helped me out on that one...  (I lived in township 2 north, range 7 east).

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:37 PM

Either that's near Stonewall, Oklahoma (Sections 12 & 13; T2N  R7E - Indian Principal Meridian (1870) Pontotoc County, OK on the OCAA/MKT or ATSF) or you must be in a different Principal Meridian, ...Like maybe the Michigan Principal Meridian (1815) and Sections 2 & 11; T2N; R7E Michigan PM on the C&O/PM in Oakland County. Certainly not over there in metes and bounds country where you are now.

Surveyors reset the thing to 0 North; 0 East just a few times just to add to the Corned Fusion/KonfuzzionSmile, Wink & GrinSmile, Wink & GrinSmile, Wink & Grin.. Your gubberment at werk.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:24 PM

Michigan - Northeast corner of Section 15, Township 2N R 7E.  I'd get deeper into it (ie, NE quarter of the NE quarter, etc), but...  The section line may have run right through our lot (fourth house from the corner of Main & Shelley).

The Eight Mile Road of movie fame is sometimes referred to as "Baseline Road."

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Posted by diningcar on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:47 AM

I don't have the dates the line south from Fairfax was taken out of service, but  around 1974 as MC suggests.

Camp was just a RR location, no town, and was located six RR miles south of Skedee.  This line was constructed by The Eastern Oklahoma Railway Co. in 1903.

Santa Fe built this under the the EO Rwy name between Newkirk and Pauls Valley to relieve traffic on its original line through Okla. City; and also to take advantage of the revenue available with the developement the oil fields alongthe line.  The depot at Shawnee remains as a unique building worthy of a photographers trip.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:00 PM

Wow, haven't been entertained by so much PLSS terminology since Forest Service maps were free. Geeked

diningcar
Santa Fe built this under the the EO Rwy name between Newkirk and Pauls Valley to relieve traffic on its original line through Okla. City; and also to take advantage of the revenue available with the development the oil fields along the line. The depot at Shawnee remains as a unique building worthy of a photographers trip.

That depot would now be the Pottawatomie County Museum, good to have it preserved.

Camp (N 36.29710 W 96.71268) appears to be the location where the ROW crosses the current Avard sub ("mini transcon"). With all of the pipelines in the midwest seemingly converging on Cushing, makes an interesting 'what might have been' if the line had been kept intact longer.

I'm also amazed at how quickly the unused ROW goes 'back to nature' compared to abandoned lines in the western deserts; without some tree lines it could be hard to follow in the aerial photos.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:55 AM

Add Patoka, IL (IC) to the woulda-coulda-shoulda list with Cushing, for the same reason.

Most of what I remember was the mid-80's effort by ATSF to pick up the branches around Cushing and the Santa Fe part of the OCAA. Still have a massive brass MKT-OCAA benchmark from that after the ICC ordered culverts removed. The project was big enough that the old Middle Division was stealing people off adjoining divisions to get the work done. Big difference from the Oklahoma panhandle that we were used to.

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