While reading the news tonight, I found the following linked article that outlines what could be described as a political checkers game in the area of Vancouver, as the city government is being politically squeezed between a projected unloading terminal for crude oil and a a big development project:
"Race to Build on River Could Block Pacific Oil Route"
The New York Times by
The reason is oil.
Two miles west of the 32-acre project, called the Waterfront, one of the biggest proposed oil terminals in the country is going through an environmental review, with plans to transfer North Dakota crude from rail cars to barges. Up to four trains, carrying 360,000 barrels of oil, would pass every day through this city’s downtown, only a few hundred feet from the Waterfront’s towers, westbound from the Bakken shale oil fields...."[snipped]
full story linked here @ http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/race-to-build-on-river-could-block-pacific-oil-route/ar-BBhhtqp
Sounds like dancing with the Devil in either case.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
As noted, pretty much any industrial construction project in Washington today will be attacked with vigor, particularly if it contains the three bad words: coal, oil, and train.
Why is it necessary to engage in a mildly pejorative bit of name-calling in the title of this thread??
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
schlimm Why is it necessary to engage in a mildly pejorative bit of name-calling in the title of this thread??
Certainly, was not intending to offend. I was simply putting my impression on the same column the NYTimes had titled:
Mr. Fred Frailey spelled it out better than anyone in one of his columns a few weeks back. The environmentalists, some of them, maybe most of them, DON"T want the oil or gas coming out of the ground at all, ever.
They just don't have the guts to come right out and say so.
Mr. Fred nailed it.
Firelock76 Mr. Fred Frailey spelled it out better than anyone in one of his columns a few weeks back. The environmentalists, some of them, maybe most of them, DON"T want the oil or gas coming out of the ground at all, ever. They just don't have the guts to come right out and say so. Mr. Fred nailed it.
And Firelock is not being "political." These wrangles go to the heart of the future of not just fossil fuels but railroads. For instance, construction of the Tongue River Railroad, in Montana, has been held up for years by the "environmentalists." Mainly, but not exclusively, because it would be hauling Powder River coal.
You want "political"? That's the essence of political!
Railroads and every 'new' plan they propose becomes political. Railroads and politics go together like summer & mosquitoes.
EJ&E going to the CN was political.CSX wanting to rebuild the Virginia Ave Tunnel in DC has been political for 4 years.CSX increasing speeds on the line to serve their new intermodal facility in Quebec was political in New York & Quebec.
There is nothing that railroads do, or intend to do that is not wrapped up in politics at some level between local and international and all levels in between.
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If the environmentalists had their way everybody would be walking on hemp sandals.
And when the sandals are worn out you can smoke 'em!
Firelock76 And when the sandals are worn out you can smoke 'em!
OK, Wayne(firelock73) !
I guess we know how you Stand on this issue.
Hey Sam, I used to know a guy who caught and smoked eels. To this day I can't figure out how he manged to light 'em.
Wayne
Firelock76 Hey Sam, I used to know a guy who caught and smoked eels. To this day I can't figure out how he manged to light 'em. Wayne
First of all, Wayne Happy New Year to you and yours!
Second: That guy has a TV show, Catches eels on the Delaware River, and sells smoked eels in his store.....I think that he lights them with a fusee BUT... He doesn't inhale. My question is how does he hold them, and which end would you light?
It's too bad (well, maybe it isn't) that we can't give the people what they ask for. (I'm talking about the average people, the followers if you will, who only know what they do because of the vocal "true believers.") A month without the use of any fossil fuel for any use. No oil, gas, coal, etc. used for power generation, heating and cooking, or transportation. Also no using of derivitives from petroleum for anything.
I bet many people would change their minds on some things when the modern convienences they expect aren't available for an extended time.
Jeff
You said it Jeff! There's a lot of people who romanticise the primitive and simple lifestyle, but I bet if they got a real taste of it they wouldn't care for it one bit.
Hey, I read a newspaper column this morning where a kid said he didn't like to play outside because there aren't any electrical outlets! I'll bet he's not the only one!
Me? I'll take indoor plumbing over an outhouse any day of the week!
Firelock76 You said it Jeff! There's a lot of people who romanticise the primitive and simple lifestyle, but I bet if they got a real taste of it they wouldn't care for it one bit. Hey, I read a newspaper column this morning where a kid said he didn't like to play outside because there aren't any electrical outlets! I'll bet he's not the only one! Me? I'll take indoor plumbing over an outhouse any day of the week! Wayne
I'm with you and Jeff! If someone thinks their life is tough..Try living with the Amish...Old Order AMISH....
They live pretty much off the grid, and unplugged. But you can only admire their comitment to their faith and families. They are are amazing people.
samfp1943They live pretty much off the grid, and unplugged.
It tickles me, though, that they use Tyvek house wrap and vinyl siding...
I live less than a half mile from one of their farms.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
tree68 samfp1943 They live pretty much off the grid, and unplugged. It tickles me, though, that they use Tyvek house wrap and vinyl siding... I live less than a half mile from one of their farms.
samfp1943 They live pretty much off the grid, and unplugged.
When ya gotta get up in the middle of the night and throw another log on the fire ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Norm
While the Amish are not connected directly to the grid, some are still oil consumers, using things like chainsaws, or accepting rides for longer trips.
Listen, if anyone wants to get an idea of what life was like in the 19th Century visiting the Old Order Amish in Pennsylvania would be a good way to do it.
Sure, you could get used to it. Old Marines like Sam and myself will tell you that with the proper attitude you can get used to anything, but I sure wouldn't want to live that way if I could avoid it.
I still have to wonder about what some people think the primitive lifestyle would be like. The Garden of Eden closed down a long time ago, and "The Blue Lagoon" doesn't exist.
Until the fall of the year that I turned eleven years old, we had no running water in the house, except for rainwater, we got our water from a pump in the backyard of the house across the alley that rain beside our house. In that fall, two of my older brothers put a cold water line into the house--and we had to turn the water off in the evening when the temperature was expected to fall below freezing. We had wood and coal stoves for heat--and so we carried the fuel into the house as it was needed.
Just before my grandfather died, my mother, my youngest brother, and I moved into the house that he had had built for his maiden sisters about fifty years earlier--there, we had indoor plumbing and stoves for heating (we kept a kerosene heater burning in the upstairs bathroom at night throughout the winter).
When I went to college, steam heat was wonderful--even when I was given the responsibility of making certain before I went to bed (I was given credit for an hour of work each night, no matter how long the task took), every night for almost two years, that the furnace stokers on the campus were filled with coal.
I did not have the experience that two of my friends from college had, though--winter in Korea with the possibility of attack by the enemy. Sad to say, both are now gone.
Johnny
Norm48327When ya gotta get up in the middle of the night and throw another log on the fire ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Which is why I no longer burn wood...
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